The elusive Michael Lee

[pomp]

This is confusing me

1891 census (Bethesda Place, Merthyr)
James Coleman, 48
Mary Coleman, 40
with father in law Timothy Lea aged 50

Combined with the marriage of James Coleman to either: 
  
Connors Mary
Leary Catherine
 
Merthyr 1866: 11a / 639

Means that Mary's dad must have been an O'Connors, but they are living with a father-in-law called Michael Lea?

[heywood]

As we have said it is confusing. I think that this family is the wrong one but who knows.
Without going over this and the Irish thread, I think you have Michael living in Blaina, is that right, whereas your searches seem to be Tredegar and Merthyr.
Again, I think, that the addresses ets were more around the Leahys but not checked.

You could check these out for Mary Connors/ers

1861 4061/15/26
Mary Connors 12 yrs and John Connors 8 yrs are lodging in a mixed name household in Merthyr.
GRO shows one Mary Connor with mmn McCarty and there are McCartys in the household.

1851 2459 623/3
John and Margaret Conner with child Mary 2 yrs are lodging with a Sullivan family in Merthyr.

The difficulty is who is who and are they relevant to your search.

[osprey]

I don't think they're relevant. The Connors children belong to Margaret who may have married the other Timothy Lee(+ variants). That Timothy in Merthyr & Cyfarthfa looks to have had no children. 

Michael was mainly in the Blaina area, and then in 1901 & 1911 census entries he was in Merthyr Tydfil but not found there earlier yet so please ignore the families with similar names there. It's just coincidence.

Pomp, it might help you to write out for yourself a timeline for Michael with the relevant census entries & bmds. There's information on here that is contradictory and it's getting quite confusing. 

[pomp]

The italicised sections are ones I think we can discount; the rest I think is in someway still in play. Best read from bottom to top I think:

1911 Census
4 White Row, b. Merthyr
Michael Lee, 64, b. Cork
Hannah, 51, Pontypool
Children: Nelly, Nellie
Married 16 years

1901 Census
10 White Row, Merthyr
Michael Lee, 50, b. Tedegar
Hannah, 40, b. Pontypool

1891 Census
Bethesda Place, Merthyr
James Coleman, 48, b. Ireland, Cork
Mary, 40, b. Merthyr
Children: John, Michael, Margaret, James, Daniel   
With Father in law, Timothy Lea, 50 (scribbled out and re-written), Lab Iron works, b. Ireland

I think we can discount as Mary’s maiden name is Conner (see 1866 marriage record below), but doesn’t account for father-in-law being Timothy Lea (loose end)

1891 Census
8 Globe Pit Row, Bedwelty,  Monmouth
Michael Lee, wid, 40, b. 1851, Tredegar, Millwright in forge (I think)
William, son, 19, b. 1872, Tredegar
John, son, 13, b. 1878, Blaina
Margaret, dau, b. 1881, Blaina

Shared house with daughter Mary Ann Lee who married my ancestor Spencer Jones

1883 Death Record Bedwelty
11A/59
Timothy Leahy, 55 (dob 1828)

1881 Census
Pit Row, Aberystruth, Bedwelty,  Monmouth
Michael Lay, 32, (b. 1849), Cinder Filler, Cork
Margaret Lay, 29, (b. 1852), Cork
Mary Ann, dau, b. 1870, Blaina, Monm
Rachel, son, b. 1874, Tredegar, Monm
William, son, b. 1876, Tredegar, Monm

1881 Census
2 Pigeon Court Merthyr
Michael Leahy, 30 (b. 1851), widow, Lab
Mary, Mother, 60 (b. 1826), Labourer’s mother

1879 Death record
Mar Q
Age 0
Timothy Lay

1878 Birth record
Dec Q, 11a/119
Timothy Ley mother’s maiden name Gibbon

1871 Census
39 George Street, Bedwelty
Margaret Leahy, Boarder, 20, (b. 1851), Breconshire
Mary Ann, dau, 0 (b. 1871), Tredegar Monm

In the household of Rees Rees on same marriage page in 1865

1871 Census
70 Gloster St, Aberdare, Merthyr
Timothy Lee, Hd, 49 (b. 1832), Cork Co Cork, Haulier
Margaret, wife, 62 (b. 1819), Cork Co Cork
John Coleman, Grandson, 7, Merthyr

1881 Census
Pond Street Merthyr
Timothy Lee, 44 (b. 1827), Ireland
Margaret Lee, 43 (b. 1828), Ireland

1870 Birth certificate (20 Sept 1870)
Mary Ann Lee
Father Michael Lee, cinder filler
Mother Margaret Lee (formerly Gibbon)
Address: Pond Row Tredegar

1870 Marriage Cert (17 Sept 1870)
Michael Lee, 23 (b. 1847), Lab, Blaina, Father Timothy Lee, Lab
Margaret Gibbon, 19, Tredegar, Father William Gibbon, Lab
Witnesses: Patrick Allen, Martha Allen

1866 Marriage record Merthyr
11a/639
Merthyr
James Coleman
Mary Connors or Catherine Leary

1852 Birth record Merthyr
Dec Q, 11a/235
Michael Leahy
GRO Index says mother’s maiden name Mcgrath

1851 Birth record Merthyr
Jun Q 26/55
Michael Leahy
GRO Index says mother’s maiden name Shine

1849 Marriage Record
Newport, Monm
Sep Q, 26/138
Timothy Layhey to one of:
Ellen Driscoll
Mary Ann Humphreys
Bridget Lyon
Mary Sullivan

[osprey]

I did mean for yourself to help you follow & see the contradictions.

Why have you discounted the Michael Lee in Merthyr Tydfil in 1901 & 1911? He is not the Michael born Swansea - he is still alive and older than the Michael in Swansea who didn't marry a Hannah anyway! He married Annie Sweeney.

The Timothy & Margaret couple are not yours. You seem to have the 1871 census & 1881 census entries for them both noted as 1871.

Have you looked yet at the Michael Leahy with father Timothy that Heywood posted in posts 30 & 31?

[heywood]

You have worked hard trying to collate the information and sadly it has thrown up even more confusion for me - sorry.
I felt fairly confident with the Leahy transformation to Lee but I hadn't seen the 1881 Michael with mother Mary in Pigeon Court    so now I will have to rethink!
Oh what joy 

[pomp]

I did mean for yourself to help you follow & see the contradictions.

Why have you discounted the Michael Lee in Merthyr Tydfil in 1901 & 1911? He is not the Michael born Swansea - he is still alive and older than the Michael in Swansea who didn't marry a Hannah anyway! He married Annie Sweeney.

The Timothy & Margaret couple are not yours. You seem to have the 1871 census & 1881 census entries for them both noted as 1871.

Have you looked yet at the Michael Leahy with father Timothy that Heywood posted in posts 30 & 31?

I misread the Hannah post and I have removed the Italics.

These:

1871 Census
70 Gloster St, Aberdare, Merthyr
Timothy Lee, Hd, 49 (b. 1832), Cork Co Cork, Haulier
Margaret, wife, 62 (b. 1819), Cork Co Cork
John Coleman, Grandson, 7, Merthyr

1871 Census
Pond Street Merthyr
Timothy Lee, 44 (b. 1827), Ireland
Margaret Lee, 43 (b. 1828), Ireland

Can I ask why you think the Pond St Merthyr Tim and Marg aren't mine?

Thanks

David

[heywood]

These:

1871 Census
70 Gloster St, Aberdare, Merthyr
Timothy Lee, Hd, 49 (b. 1832), Cork Co Cork, Haulier
Margaret, wife, 62 (b. 1819), Cork Co Cork
John Coleman, Grandson, 7, Merthyr

1871 Census
Pond Street Merthyr
Timothy Lee, 44 (b. 1827), Ireland
Margaret Lee, 43 (b. 1828), Ireland

Can I ask why you think the Pond St Merthyr Tim and Marg aren't mine?

Thanks

David

Is that 1881 for Gloster Street, Aberdare. Are these the same couple?

I am tempted to ask why you think that the Pond Street Merthyr are yours?

[heywood]

Whilst looking for Michael, I have come across this:

May 1896 Gaol record
Michael Lee, 45 yrs born 1851 committed at Merthyr for being Drunk and Disorderly. He is a labourer and born County Mayo.

This illustrates the difficulty in trying to find the right man.
I was posting on the Cork board and skimmed over this thread but really not sure what has been posted and discounted.