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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 14:51 BST (UK) »
If we forget the marriage to Alexander Porter which now looks unlikely to be her and concentrate on finding a death for her assuming she remained single the following may be worth looking at -

Jane Wallace Bain died 1964 aged 70 registered in Glasgow (North) Scotlands People ref 645/3 939.
Note the middle name of Wallace.

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Age 70 is 1964 is spot on for a birth in 1893, if her birthday was later in the year than the day she died.
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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 14:57 BST (UK) »
She was born 18/12/1893 see reply #58 for her birth certificate.

As we know depending on who registered the death the age can be a little out.

Worth looking at this death I would say.

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #65 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 15:36 BST (UK) »
She was born 18/12/1893 see reply #58 for her birth certificate.
As we know depending on who registered the death the age can be a little out.
Indeed, but her birthday was 18 December. If she died at any time in 1964 up to and including 17 December, she would still have been only 70 years old. Only if she died in the last two weeks of 1964 would she have been 71.

Her death was the 939th death registered in Glasgow North in 1964. There were at least another 176 after that, because I have found one numbered 1115. There could have been more after that, of course, but let's assume that there weren't. 1115 deaths divided by 52 weeks gives an average of 21 deaths a week. So you would expect, on average, 42 deaths between 18 and 31 December. But there were actually 176 deaths, or about 8 average weeks' worth, registered after that of Jane Wallace Bain.

So if my assumption is reasonable, I would expect her death to have occurred in late October or early November, before she turned 71 (which would have been on 18 December 1964).

If my assumption is incorrect, and there were significantly more than 1115 deaths registered in Glasgow North in 1964, it would mean that she died even earlier in the year, and even longer before her 71st birthday.

So her age is almost certainly exactly correct, and the death is almost certainly that of  Helen/Ellen/Nellie's daughter.

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 15:45 BST (UK) »
She was born 18/12/1893 see reply #58 for her birth certificate.

As we know depending on who registered the death the age can be a little out.

Worth looking at this death I would say.

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1964 is correct. She never married by the looks of things


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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #67 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 15:53 BST (UK) »
The entry below Helen in the 1911 census. Is baby William a Bain?
In 1901, there is this entry at 41 Balvenie Street Mortlach:
Peter Bain 54 shoemaker b. Speymouth, Morayshire
Helen Bain 28 daughter, housekeeper b. glenrinnes, Banffshire
Elizabeth Bain 10 grandchild b. Mortlach, Banffshire
Jeanie Bain 7 grandchild b. Mortlach, Banffshire
James Smith 6 Months grandchild b. Mortlach, Banffshire
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It seems illegitimate children ran in the family. Elizabeth was Helen's Sisters child, Jemima. I can't make out Jemima's married name on Elizabeth's DC - who sadly died at 10 years at her grandparents house.

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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #68 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 15:54 BST (UK) »
And died in the first half of November, as I surmised.

BTW 133 Balornock Road is Stobhill Hospital. It's not unusual, when people die in an institution, for the death certificate just to have a street address without the name of the institution being listed.
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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #69 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 15:56 BST (UK) »
I can't make out Jemima's married name on Elizabeth's DC
I think it's Pirrie.

Jamima Isabella Bain married James Pirrie in Mortlach in 1895.
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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #70 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 22:37 BST (UK) »
Just catching up with everything....

Can anyone make out the name of Jane Wallace Bain's daughter who reported her death?

Married surname McSteen? Living at 48 Rees Gardens, Croydon.




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Re: Ellen / Helen Bain
« Reply #71 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 22:55 BST (UK) »
The initials look like DG.

There is a Gladys Davidson Bain born in Mortlach in 1915 - possibly her?

Away to see if I can find a marriage for her in Scotland.

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