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Re: Germany - huge brickwall - WW2 story reads like a novel!
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 04 June 20 17:57 BST (UK) »
Schneidemühl am 4 März
1938

Auf Anordnung des
Amtsgerichts in Schneide
mühl vom 4 Januar
1938 wird berichtigend
vermerkt das der Fami
lienname richtig
„de Leliwa“ lautet
der Standesbeamte
in Vertretung



Schneidemühl  4 March
1938

corrected and registered due to decree of the district court in Schneidemühl from the 4 January 1938
That the surname is „de Leliwa“
The Registrar
in Proxy

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Re: Germany - huge brickwall - WW2 story reads like a novel!
« Reply #28 on: Friday 05 June 20 16:19 BST (UK) »
davecapps

I sent a thank you to you yesterday but it’s disappeared into cyberspace!

Second attempt - thank you for such a speedy reply and translation. I am very relieved to see this is not a burial or death that been added,  as she died later during WW2.

But the question remains – why did she change her name only partially? As she would have then been living in Germany, probably a married woman with a different surname, was it her parents or relations who changed the birth document.

If she was born in Poland in 1905, why has her birth document been archived in “Eastern Prussian Provinces, Germany [Poland], Selected Civil Vitals, 1874-1945”? Was it because Poland was invaded and occupied by Germany after 1939?

Each answer raises several more questions!

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Re: Germany - huge brickwall - WW2 story reads like a novel!
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Re: Germany - huge brickwall - WW2 story reads like a novel!
« Reply #30 on: Friday 05 June 20 16:41 BST (UK) »
I've found a possible birth online for a Maria Magdalena (von) Leliwa. Maria Magdalena could be Marianna!

Where can i view the whole document?


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Re: Germany - huge brickwall - WW2 story reads like a novel!
« Reply #31 on: Friday 05 June 20 16:59 BST (UK) »
found the doc on Ancestry.

At the bottom of the page is a side notation saying she married for the first time in Berlin Neukölln
in 1937. The correction was dated March 1938. Maybe she changed it herself

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Re: Germany - huge brickwall - WW2 story reads like a novel!
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 06 June 20 04:50 BST (UK) »
https://arolsen-archives.org/en/search-explore/search-online-archive/
 - don't know if this helps any but there appears to be a entry for him here, around the time of his emigration.

As well as mentioning Hamburg, against his name they have the place Embühren in the district of Rensberg - I think this was his location in 1955.

https://uitvaartzorgserrus.be/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/RB-03-20-GEFFERT-MARIANNE-ZA.pdf
 - Could this be a memorial card for his sister? Mentions the family Von Leliwa (This woman would have been born Geffert and married a Mr Callens).  There are a number of descendants you could try to make touch with.

According to this was born Wulfsmoor which isn't that far from Embühren - perhaps this was also the area where their mother died?
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Re: Germany - huge brickwall - WW2 story reads like a novel!
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 06 June 20 15:33 BST (UK) »
davecapps

Thank you for this further piece of information. If her marriage date is indeed 1937, it is a huge surprise!

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Sheffield: TURNER
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Re: Germany - huge brickwall - WW2 story reads like a novel!
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 06 June 20 15:51 BST (UK) »
jorose

Thank you very much for both these documents.

The memorial card is indeed for Paul's sister, Marianne. She went to live in Belgium. She died very recently, I hope it was not due to Covid-19.

I have informed her nephew in Australia and he will tell his mother (Marianna's sister in law) tomorrow. Marianna's brother had died several years ago.

I am looking at the first URL you wrote about - https://arolsen-archives.org/en/search-explore/search-online-archive/

that is the passenger list for the ship that took Paul Geffert to Australia. And his work of "farm worker" ties in with his story of being on a farm after he was made a Ward of Court. I think he was a Displaced Person, not a Jewish refugee.

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UK - Northumberland, County Durham: ANDERSON,   DODD(S), EDWARDS, ELLIOTT/ELLET, FENWICK, GREY/GRAY, HINDMARCH and variants, JORDAN, MOORE, MURRAY, RIPPON, RODDHAM, RYDER-TURNER, SPARK(E)(S), STEWART, TILLEY, TIPLADY, WATSON,
Sheffield: TURNER
Middlesex: RYDER
<br />Aberdeenshire: EDWARDS, BRODIE<br />Angus STEWART, DIXON, PETRIE

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Re: Germany - huge brickwall - WW2 story reads like a novel!
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 06 June 20 16:35 BST (UK) »
This is interesting.

Birth of Lucia Justine Katharina Leliwa in 1903

https://search.ancestry.de/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60749&h=6174377&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=its1&_phstart=successSource

it has exactly the same side notation.

Schneidemühl am 4 März
1938

Auf Anordnung des
Amtsgerichts in Schneide
mühl vom 4 Januar
1938 wird berichtigend
vermerkt das der Fami
lienname richtig
„de Leliwa“ lautet
der Standesbeamte
in Vertretung