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1579 Scottish Record - Can you read it?
« on: Sunday 13 May 18 07:50 BST (UK) »
Hello,
Would very much like to know what the following entry says. It is a birth record from Scotland in 1579. The surname of birth is SANDS.
Thanks so much.
Claire
KELLY -Co.Kildare, Ireland
QUIGLEY/RYAN -Co.Tipperary, Ireland
HURLEY/CONSIDINE -Co.Clare, Ireland
MAGUIRE -Dublin, Ireland
MASTERSON -Co.Longford, Ireland
WHELAN/BLACKHAM -Northern Ireland
ANTHONY/TREVORROW -Cornwall, England
WHITING/BAKER -Somerset, England
SWEET/TILLY -Hampshire, England
NICHOLSON/WATERER -Surrey, England
NETHERWAY/STANLAKE -Devon, England
BOCK/KRACKEHL -Bayern, Germany
SHANLANK/SCHOENLANKE -Poland/Germany
SANDS/BUCHANAN -Perthshire, Scotland
BELL/SHARP -Fifeshire, Scotland

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Re: 1579 Scottish Record - Can you read it?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 May 18 08:20 BST (UK) »
Here is what is visible:

                                     18 October 1579

...day gatherit unto ye [pw?]___________________________________________xxx d
[= 30 pence]

...sandes In ye brigend of barnehyll said Ane bairne baptisit callit

...uitnesses [Ritchart?] [Jak?] henry [Enyt?] In ye [fferr?]


My limited knowledge of Scotland says that Ane = one, not the name An(n)e.  I may be wrong, but callit suggests otherwise.

There is more information in the dark area at the left.  I think the child's forename is in there.  The father's forename may also be there, before sandes.

There may be more information on the next line below the image.  Does the part sentence relate to this or the next entry?

ADDED:

It's possible the word I have transcribed as said might be haid = had.

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Re: 1579 Scottish Record - Can you read it?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 May 18 08:36 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Wow, thanks so much.
No the next line relates to the following record and states the next date, 25th October 1579.
Thank you. I will work on finding the meaning of those words now.
All latin to me.
Thank you.
Claire
KELLY -Co.Kildare, Ireland
QUIGLEY/RYAN -Co.Tipperary, Ireland
HURLEY/CONSIDINE -Co.Clare, Ireland
MAGUIRE -Dublin, Ireland
MASTERSON -Co.Longford, Ireland
WHELAN/BLACKHAM -Northern Ireland
ANTHONY/TREVORROW -Cornwall, England
WHITING/BAKER -Somerset, England
SWEET/TILLY -Hampshire, England
NICHOLSON/WATERER -Surrey, England
NETHERWAY/STANLAKE -Devon, England
BOCK/KRACKEHL -Bayern, Germany
SHANLANK/SCHOENLANKE -Poland/Germany
SANDS/BUCHANAN -Perthshire, Scotland
BELL/SHARP -Fifeshire, Scotland

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Re: 1579 Scottish Record - Can you read it?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 May 18 08:43 BST (UK) »
The guts of it is:

[forename] sandes in the bridgend of barnhill [either: aforesaid or had] one bairn [= baby] baptised called

[forename] Witnesses etc

If you post a closeup on the dark area, we may be able to get the forenames.


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Re: 1579 Scottish Record - Can you read it?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 May 18 08:59 BST (UK) »
Hoping this is a better copy. Whole entry with the end and beginning of entries either side.
I tried to adjust lighting and clarity but can send original.
Claire
KELLY -Co.Kildare, Ireland
QUIGLEY/RYAN -Co.Tipperary, Ireland
HURLEY/CONSIDINE -Co.Clare, Ireland
MAGUIRE -Dublin, Ireland
MASTERSON -Co.Longford, Ireland
WHELAN/BLACKHAM -Northern Ireland
ANTHONY/TREVORROW -Cornwall, England
WHITING/BAKER -Somerset, England
SWEET/TILLY -Hampshire, England
NICHOLSON/WATERER -Surrey, England
NETHERWAY/STANLAKE -Devon, England
BOCK/KRACKEHL -Bayern, Germany
SHANLANK/SCHOENLANKE -Poland/Germany
SANDS/BUCHANAN -Perthshire, Scotland
BELL/SHARP -Fifeshire, Scotland

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Re: 1579 Scottish Record - Can you read it?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 May 18 09:07 BST (UK) »
It's a good image, Claire, but I can't make out any more.

Others may be able to do better.

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Re: 1579 Scottish Record - Can you read it?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 May 18 09:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks for what you have already read HorsleyDown.
We can now know what it says.
Thank you.
Claire
KELLY -Co.Kildare, Ireland
QUIGLEY/RYAN -Co.Tipperary, Ireland
HURLEY/CONSIDINE -Co.Clare, Ireland
MAGUIRE -Dublin, Ireland
MASTERSON -Co.Longford, Ireland
WHELAN/BLACKHAM -Northern Ireland
ANTHONY/TREVORROW -Cornwall, England
WHITING/BAKER -Somerset, England
SWEET/TILLY -Hampshire, England
NICHOLSON/WATERER -Surrey, England
NETHERWAY/STANLAKE -Devon, England
BOCK/KRACKEHL -Bayern, Germany
SHANLANK/SCHOENLANKE -Poland/Germany
SANDS/BUCHANAN -Perthshire, Scotland
BELL/SHARP -Fifeshire, Scotland

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Re: 1579 Scottish Record - Can you read it?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 May 18 20:27 BST (UK) »
Which parish is this?

The child's name is indeed hidden in the dark part of the page and "ane" is = "a". The word after "gatherit unto ye" is probably "puir" or a version of it - i.e. the poor who would eventually receive the collection.

The witnesses seem to be "in ye Ferry". If we knew the parish, it might suggest a possible location.

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Re: 1579 Scottish Record - Can you read it?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 May 18 20:46 BST (UK) »
Just wondering if this was Bridgend (Perth) by any chance?

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