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Rose May Jones (1884-1968) and her parents Anne Elizabeth and William Jones
« on: Thursday 07 June 18 15:39 BST (UK) »
I've hit a bit of a brick wall with my great great grandmother Rose May Jones. She married my great grandfather Herbert Charles Ducker in 1905 in Aylesham, Norfolk. She was noted as coming from London and her father was noted as:

William Jones (deceased)

She was born in 18 SEP 1884 • Marylebone, London and I traced her birth certificate

On this it reads that her mother was Anne Elizabeth Jones, barmaid of St Pancras, residing at 32 Burton Crescent, St Pancras. A little research shows this as the address of the pub, the Carpenters Arms. No father's details are noted at all.

I have searched fruitlessly for evidence of Anne's marriage to a William or some record of William and Anne linked to Rose May (census etc), but can't seem to come up with anything.

Can anyone help?

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Re: Rose May Jones (1884-1968) and her parents Anne Elizabeth and William Jones
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 07 June 18 15:43 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat

Do you have Rose and her mother on census after she was born.  It is possible that a fathers name was 'invented' for the marriage certificate.
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Re: Rose May Jones (1884-1968) and her parents Anne Elizabeth and William Jones
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 07 June 18 15:43 BST (UK) »
Welcome :)

Will have a look - but the immediate reaction is that if you know Rose was born out of wedlock, searches for William may well be fruitless as he may have been a pure invention for the purpose of avoiding the stigma of illegitimacy when she married.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Rose May Jones (1884-1968) and her parents Anne Elizabeth and William Jones
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 07 June 18 15:50 BST (UK) »
Does her date of birth on the 1939 register agree with the birth certificate you have  :-\
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Re: Rose May Jones (1884-1968) and her parents Anne Elizabeth and William Jones
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 07 June 18 15:55 BST (UK) »
Quote from: rosie99 on Thursday 07 June 18 15:50 BST (UK)
Does her date of birth on the 1939 register agree with the birth certificate you have  :-\

I agree this looks like an inconsistency.

Also - no middle name on marriage or death.

Rose Jones married Herbert Ducker, Dec qtr 1905 Aylsham
Rose Ducker died aged 84, Jun qtr 1968 Norwich.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Rose May Jones (1884-1968) and her parents Anne Elizabeth and William Jones
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 07 June 18 15:58 BST (UK) »
Who were the witnesses on the 1905 marriage?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Rose May Jones (1884-1968) and her parents Anne Elizabeth and William Jones
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 07 June 18 16:14 BST (UK) »
I agree with the other comments - the birth certificate that you have is not the right one.   'Your' Rose had no second name and had a different birthdate.

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Re: Rose May Jones (1884-1968) and her parents Anne Elizabeth and William Jones
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 07 June 18 16:24 BST (UK) »
Quote from: avm228 on Thursday 07 June 18 15:58 BST (UK)
Who were the witnesses on the 1905 marriage?

Dennis Rouse & Rebecca Ducker ( from certificate on online tree )
Father Williams occupation was a Labourer
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Re: Rose May Jones (1884-1968) and her parents Anne Elizabeth and William Jones
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 07 June 18 16:32 BST (UK) »
Ah OK.  Dennis Rouse seems to have been a local (Aylsham) 17yo labourer in 1901.

Do we have an age and residence for Rose from the certificate too?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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