McHamiltons from The Shetlands

[Rosinish]

HAMILTON JOHN JAMES
GEORGE HAMILTON/JANE GORDON FR391 (Parents)
19/05/1829
871/20 39 Kirkcudbright"


There are some notes that mention George Hamilton and Jane Gordon here, in relation to a Hamilton family in Maitland,  New South Wales, Australia.

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/b/e/g/Linda-Begg/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0010.html

Their birth records seem to be confusing too
Who knows if they are related to John Harold McHamilton

I'm confused too! I'm struggling to see any link with John James & John Harold among them or am I missing something 

Annie

[Banks2233]

I am so confused I think I may need to have a beverage or two🤔🤔🤔
We are clutching at anything,
Back to basics, I'm looking again at the possible families that may still be in my area,here.

[Banks2233]

Well I finally found some great information by going back over some research.
I looked more intently at Births Deaths and Marriages, and found them all. John Harold McHamilton's father was John James McHamilton and mother Hettie, that's it so far.
Maybe if we could look at these names and find where they are, now that I have Definate names.
Jan.

[Rosinish]

John Harold McHamilton's father was John James McHamilton and mother Hettie, that's it so far.
Maybe if we could look at these names and find where they are, now that I have Definate names.
Jan.

We don't know whether Hettie/Hetty is her given name nor do we know her maiden name i.e. the marriage of John Harold is where I'd be looking.

From Monica;

"John James Hamilton 51, mine manager b. Kirkcudbright
Mary Hamilton 39 b. Brazil
Mary H Hamilton 17 b. Chile
Ellen Hamilton 14 b. Chile
George Hamilton 12 b. Chile
...and two house servants

Address: Leebitton, Dunrossness, Shetland

No sign of a John born 1870 here  "

I'm not convinced at all as to John Harold being the 'legitimate' son of John James at this point!

He's not on the above 1881 census nor is there a birth for him in Shetland with that name.

The mother on 1881 is named Mary not Hettie/Henrietta/Esther & it's the mother's name you need to progress which should be on his marriage.

Annie

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If the Victorian marriage certificate says fathers name John James McHamilton and Hettie and John Harold McHamiltons birthplace is Shetland, then we are not much further ahead!

You would hope if would have Hetties correct name and surname on it!

Somehow the information on it needs to be looked at

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Harold Mchamilton
Event Type   Burial
Event Place   Armidale Shire, New South Wales, Australia
Age   37
Birth Year (Estimated)   1889
Death Date   05 Sep 1926
Cemetery   Armidale General Cemetery: Presbyterian section

His father was Joseph McHamilton and his mother Ann

His death registration: HAMILTON  HAROLD M 11406/1926 JOSEPH ANNE ARMIDALE

Not helpful that it says Harold M Hamilton not Harold McHamilton!

This Harold McHamilton was born in Australia
HAMILTON  HAROLD MCC 1167/1889 V18891167 161 JOSEPH ANN

Parents do not appear to have been married in NSW, this family is possibly Irish too

[Rosinish]

Well I finally found some great information by going back over some research.
I looked more intently at Births Deaths and Marriages, and found them all. John Harold McHamilton's father was John James McHamilton and mother Hettie, that's it so far.
Maybe if we could look at these names and find where they are, now that I have Definate names.
Jan.

Can you then please tell us what's on John Harolds birth (where he was born & his mothers name/maiden name) as well as what's on the others who are named on 1881 census if this is the same family? Do they all have the same mother & is she Mary or Hettie?

Annie

[Rosinish]

"John Harold McHamilton (Snr) B-1870 Shetlands D-1958 Australia. He married Rosa May Callander B-1879 Maldon,Vic D-1968. As far as I know 1 child JH McHamilton (Jnr) B-1910"

What is John Harolds' occ. on the birth of J H (Jnr)?

What age was John Harold (Snr) when he married & does it tie with his age when he died?

Annie

[MonicaL]

I am always optimistic on discoveries to be found....however, I think without sight of the 1909 marriage for JH to Rosa we are likely stuck for now 

Getting the feeling JH may have run off and changed his history to start a new life.... He is consistent on a birth date of 1869-70 and Shetland birth place. Is that accurate? Who is to say at this point, but that is all we have so far really.

I once helped someone from Australia who grew up as a McKenzie (father supposedly from Paisley) who couldn't find anything on his roots. Turned out he was London boy and surname was Love.

Monica