Samuel Harris

[C4C]

I have a samuel Harris (1816-1845), born north Oakley Hampshire, who married a MaryAnn Grit In Stratfield saye , when on Ancestry i have found his father James Harris (1776-1872), born Hartley Witney but other people on ancestry seem to have a different birth date and place for his father (1790-1872), James married a pheobe Early born 1791, but there is also 2 different death dates for her, if 1851 was right then i can find James in new forest 1961 censors as a widow, can anyone help with the right dates , as she also has a death date of 1870 thankyou

[CaroleW]

A number of things

When did he marry Mary Ann Grit - have you checked freebmd for the marriage or was it pre-1837?

If married after 1.7.1837 - does the marriage cert confirm his fathers name as James?

If James was born 1776 - he would have been 42 when Samuel was born.  If he was born 1790 - then he was 26

Have you checked Family Search for a baptism to confirm his mothers name?

[iluleah]

What other people have ( I am assuming you mean trees) really doesn't matter, most trees are just copied information from each other they are not researched nor proved, most of those trees are tree of names, dates, places, not researched family history.

So you need to find real records, starting with the death registration index purchasing the death cert and PR burial record, going back to find the census, to the marriage PR/civil records, then the birth registration and /or baptism record and gleaning all the relevant information from those real records and cross referencing to make sure you are not just searching a name as more than one person can ( and do) use the same names and in the same areas, as that is the ONLY way you will know.

My advice would be make sure you are sure and have each real record of one persons life events before you try to go back further as it is not a race but a long term project to find YOUR ancestry, so you want YOUR ancestors in that tree not 'someone who fits' The other advice is everything is not online.

[C4C]

A number of things

When did he marry Mary Ann Grit - have you checked freebmd for the marriage or was it pre-1837?

If married after 1.7.1837 - does the marriage cert confirm his fathers name as James?

If James was born 1776 - he would have been 42 when Samuel was born.  If he was born 1790 - then he was 26

Have you checked Family Search for a baptism to confirm his mothers name?

[CaroleW]

There are 15 Samuel Harris deaths on freebmd in 1845 - which one is yours?  None in Hampshire

[C4C]

He married Maryanne Gritt in 1835 i think she was 16, he died young so she remarried a Joseph Rawlings in 1848, thank you for the advice, i think i have copied a couple off other peoples by trying to quick and gone wrong

[C4C]

He died in Chertsey  surrey Walton on Thames way

[iluleah]

Looking at and doing 30 seconds of searching of Samuel Harris and you say North Oakley which is a hamlet in the parish of Hannington, so the most likely place for a baptism is there... this is from the BTs

Name    Samuel Harris
Event Type    Baptism
Event Date    27 Oct 1816
Event Place    Hannington, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
Gender    Male
Father's Name    James Harris
Mother's Name    Phoebe Harris

[C4C]

Thank you its his dad James that i am stuck on for birth dates and his wife pheobe for death date , i have a james Harris as a widow in dibden New forest and am wondering if his dad and pheobe had died in the earlier date