Hi
This could be the two Wiltshire’s that you are talking about, Old Joe sounds just like one of the old Barrow Boys, Street Traders, Hawking Fruit, I have records of other People around Nottingham, with the same names that you write about, local Wiltshires, in my researchers, in Town Village and City i have come across Wilshaws Willshires Wilshers Welshires who are just locals, these two Josephs below are quite tame, also they live at the same address, for some time to, you said the Wiltshire’s you write about were three generations out of the travelling times, there are families of local Wiltshire’s I have researched, the people you write about may also be just locals, you say you have read my posts, in them you will of read of many Josephs and Henrys, they are all around Camp sites and moving about often in big Family units with several wagons, some have shops in Nottingham as Marine Store Dealers, if you can connect back to these people that woman of mystery who said these two Josephs below came out of the older travelling Wiltshire’s may well be telling the truth, but again they are well tame especially the older Joseph, but like you say three generations is a long time, you never know i am sure you have much to tell, you have to be careful tho about what somone is suposed to have said yeares ago, there are people out there who tottaly fabricate storys, twist them for all kinds of reasons, just be careful, trust in the truth, its a great story, you have worked hard and collected much information, you are doing a fine job, you say you was never told anything about anything, evan if you find things, evan if things that you research turn out to be true, true again, it will always be just written records of the past, how will you ever understand, evan the greatest of researchers in this time as well as the past fail right at that moment when they think their hands are full.
Nottingham Press
There is a Joseph Wiltshire who was 34 years of age in 1938, he is stated as being a Hawker, he lived at Fairholme- terrace, Storer-Street, Nottingham, several times by now he was up for drunkenness, in 1947 at 8 Fairham Terrace, Storer-Street, he is stated as being a Street Trader, charged with obstruction with his hand barrow, also in the same year at 8 Fairholme- terrace, Storer-Street and most likely Josephs Son, is the one and only Joseph Henry Wiltshire, 18 years of age that i think maybe could be the person you write about, he is up for breaking and entering, in 1936 at a different address of Page Street, there is a man known as a Fruiterer, he was found drunk in his car and trailer, he goes by the name of Joseph Wiltshire, in 1946 Joseph Wilsher is said to be 39, known as a Hawker, living at 8 Fairholme- terrace, Storer-Street he was found flat out lying on the pavement in Bridle-smith Gate, and had to be taken to hospital, the Magistrate had a laugh at the situation and let him of, commenting,
“and I understand it wasn’t it strong enough,” i have to say the address of Storer Street is bang on the money, so many of my Mothers relations lived and died around that area, some of the greatest ever to set foot in this City of mine, real ledgends, my Mother was born but a stones throw away, if you would like to know about this place have a look at this web site, there are many photos of the area.
https://stannswellroad.weebly.com/hawksworth-st-storer-st-to-clarence-st.htmlYou write of a connection to Derby, i have read stories of these Grogans below connected to Nottingham.
Derby Press
A much wrote about family the Grogans, they seem mainly to live around Goodwin Street, if you read many of the reports most will say several numbers on Goodwin Street, or back of an house on Goodwin Street, in 1950 john Grogan 56 years old is living in a caravan, in 1935 john Grogan is 41 living at Bates Lodging House, Nuns-Street, and stated as being a scissor grinder, in 1931 john Grogan is 29 and stated as being a cutler of no fixed abode, there are some very bad crimes that are talked about over the years in Derby.
Nottingham Press
There is a John Grogan, 28, Hawker of the famouse nortoriouse Red Lion-Street, Narrow-Marsh, Nottingham, again in 1930 at the same address yet this time they give the house number as 73, and the age of 30, again from the same address in 1931 he is said to be 27 and the trade of a cutler, it is stated that he has been before the courts 30 times and is a dangerous man, ln 1933 John Grogan is said to be 37 years of age, described as a poacher now living at Barker Gate, in the Seven Stars Lodging House, he is up for Police assault, in the paper it is stated that John Grogan is one of the most violent men in Nottingham,
in 1950 Samuel Grogan, 25, a dealer of 142 Glaisdale-drive was charged with stealing coal then a year later he beats up his wife plus his girlfriend be course the girlfriend would not porn the wife’s wedding ring, in 1895 Arthur Grogan up for deserting his wife and not Paying maintenance,
again at the same address of 3 Plait Street in 1899 his title is that of a basket-maker.
Again these are just reported records, who everyone is and are any of them connected, i do not know, i am around Nottingham for all of my life and never have i heard of no one named Grogan, nor have any stories of the fruit hawking Wiltshires been passed down, you may well be right, you may well be wrong, i am sure you will do your best, the stage is yours.