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Re: Why would a child have three baptisms?
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 07 August 18 21:09 BST (UK) »
St Saviours was founded by members of the Oxford Movement, sometimes termed as "Tractarianism".

The Movement was the start of modern Anglo-Catholicism.

This might explain the necessity for a baptism in a "standard" Anglican church, in addition to the Anglo-Catholic baptism?

Interesting.
It was same curate though.

(This is a duplicate thread. I can't keep up.)
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Re: Why would a child have three baptisms?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 08 August 18 08:50 BST (UK) »
This is all really interesting, lots of food for thought, but still confusing!

If the two baptisms were actually the same why two different occupations given?

If the private baptism was at home would it still be registered under the church?

I will send for a birth certificate which should at least give me the correct birth date.

Sorry about the two postings - does anyone know how I can merge them?

Thank you,

Heather.


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Re: Why would a child have three baptisms?
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 08 August 18 08:59 BST (UK) »
I have two 'Ralph' baby ancestors who were baptised at the same Church - late 1800s.  Unfortunately, the first one had an accidental death and there was an inquest.  This explains why there were two of same named child in my case.  I think my 2 x Grt Grandmother was determined to name one of her son's after her blacksmith Father who was called Ralph Marshall.
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Re: Help with deciphering occupation and conflicting baptism records please.
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 08 August 18 09:02 BST (UK) »
I have just merged the two topics for you, please only post once to avoid confusion.

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Re: Help with deciphering occupation and conflicting baptism records please.
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 08 August 18 09:07 BST (UK) »
To answer one of your questions on the other thread.

Private baptisms at home or elsewhere are recorded in the parish records as normal. You often find what appears to be another later baptism in the same records, this is usually after another ceremony when the child is received into  the church.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Help with deciphering occupation and conflicting baptism records please.
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 08 August 18 09:40 BST (UK) »
To answer one of your questions on the other thread.

Private baptisms at home or elsewhere are recorded in the parish records as normal. You often find what appears to be another later baptism in the same records, this is usually after another ceremony when the child is received into  the church.

A few years ago, I discussed the subject of Christenings and Baptisms with a C of E cleric, when attending a family Christening.
She told me that there are 2 parts to a "usual" Christening - the Christening (i.e. the naming of the child) and the Baptism (the receiving of the child into the Church).
Occasionally the 2 parts are performed separately - think of adult baptisms ;D

I had to ask, as my own daughters have never been christened :D
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Re: Help with deciphering occupation and conflicting baptism records please.
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 08 August 18 17:07 BST (UK) »

So, probably, Thomas was baptised quickly at home after the birth but he survived so was christened again by the same curate in St Saviours a few weeks later. Then he must have been baptised in the family's usual church of St Peter on the same day.
Birth date and occupation possibly incorrectly recorded.

Thank you again for all your helpful replies.

Heather.




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Re: Help with deciphering occupation and conflicting baptism records please.
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 08 August 18 19:31 BST (UK) »
It would have been only one baptism in St. Saviour, it is not unusual to find an event that took place in a Chapelry to be record in both the Chapelry and the mother Church. I have events that are recorded  in St. George, they are also recorded in the  Mother Church St. Leonard,  but they only took place in St. George.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Help with deciphering occupation and conflicting baptism records please.
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 08 August 18 21:28 BST (UK) »
I could not find any record of St Saviour being a chapelry of St Peter?

St Saviour was founded by The Oxford Movement as a separate church and, because of their Anglo-Catholic beliefs, had many run-ins with the Bishop ;D
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