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Re: What happened to Mary Ann Sumner after 1851?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 08 September 18 11:37 BST (UK) »
thanks again, Now I've only got to find the mother of Ann and Austen Sumner (mmn Giffen) and I think I have family sorted.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: What happened to Mary Ann Sumner after 1851?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 08 September 18 11:53 BST (UK) »
Banns
9th November 1856 St Mary, Lambeth
Robert Iíve, bachelor and Mary Ann Parker, widow.

Marriage 30th November 1856
Mary Ann Parker widow - father James Sumner, Fishmonger
Robert Ive, Butcher

Witnesses James Youles and Susannah Youles

found image of marriage record, I think witness is Harry Youles not James. In 1861 there is a henry and Susanna Youles living in Lambeth, she was born Clare, Suffolk. Marriage for Henry Youles in Lambeth 1848, two Susannas on same page Ive and Mutton, I reckon it's Ive and she's Robert's sister, but what relation is he to Mary Ann's stepmother?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: What happened to Mary Ann Sumner after 1851?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 08 September 18 12:00 BST (UK) »
Robert's parents Thomas and Mehitabel, so were Susanna's
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate


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Re: What happened to Mary Ann Sumner after 1851?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 08 September 18 12:04 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth Ive's marriage record says her father was Thomas cabinet maker deceased. so sister (or possibly half sister ) to the other two.

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Her Thomas was a carpenter not cabinet maker - could be same chap - it's all working with wood
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: What happened to Mary Ann Sumner after 1851?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 08 September 18 12:09 BST (UK) »
Youíre too far ahead :)

I have just come back and found Robert in 1841 with mum and siblings but Elizabeth was already in BS then.
If both have father Thomas then they would seem to be siblings.
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Re: What happened to Mary Ann Sumner after 1851?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 08 September 18 12:14 BST (UK) »
I think Elizabeth was bapt as Elizabeth Ann Ive d/o Thomas and Mehitabel in Clare on 15 nov 1824, his occ is cabinet maker.

So the only loose end is the Giffen / Sumner marriage, sometime after Ann nee Livermore died in 1842 and marriage to Elizabeth Ive
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: What happened to Mary Ann Sumner after 1851?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 08 September 18 12:36 BST (UK) »
1841 has Ann Giffin/s 15 yrs as a servant in Bishops Stortford

Piece 434/12/18
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Re: What happened to Mary Ann Sumner after 1851?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 08 September 18 13:17 BST (UK) »
There's a Susanna Giffin in same household as James Sumner and 1st wife Ann, but can't find a marriage between them, or any Giffin  ???
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: What happened to Mary Ann Sumner after 1851?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 08 September 18 13:27 BST (UK) »
You would need the birth certificates to confirm the motherís name but Susannah looks likely.
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