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Re: ESSENtially confused over this family!
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 15 September 18 14:16 BST (UK) »
There are several newspaper reports , dated May 1914 , which state that Alice Rose Essen took her husband Charles Francis Essen to court to obtain a separation order on the grounds of cruelty , citing in particular an assault on May 6th. One of the reports mentions her mother , Mrs Hill , and her brothers Percy and Bert Hill  , who were accused of assault by Charles Essen. One report also mentions an argument about custody of a child.

This family in Newport Pagnell looks likely :
1901 census

John Hill 39
Lucy Hill 37
Charles Hill 12
Alice Rose Hill 10
Percy Hill 7
Herbert Hill 4
Cyril Ralph Hill 2
Albert John Hill 1

 RG13; Piece: 1360; Folio: 94; Page: 18

The Hill family , including Alice Rose Hill emigrated to Canada in 1920 and can be found on the 1921 census in Toronto.

I don't have any more time at present as I have to go out. I'm sure someone else will pick this up.
There's obviously more to this .  ;D

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Re: ESSENtially confused over this family!
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 15 September 18 14:26 BST (UK) »
Her son Charles Francis Essen married in Toronto in 1934 (to Mary Waldrum) - his mother’s maiden name was given as Alice Rose Hill, but a marriage witness was Alice Rose Davis of 38 Howick Ave, same address as Charles’.  (I note that this is the address of John & Lucy Hill in 1921, including daughter Alice Rose Hill, 29, “single”’).

She does seem to have died in Bucks as Alice Rose Essen, though (in 1982) ???
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: ESSENtially confused over this family!
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 15 September 18 14:32 BST (UK) »
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: ESSENtially confused over this family!
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 15 September 18 14:40 BST (UK) »
Or maybe the mother of the “Essen mmn Smith” children was someone else, and she’s the one who died in Bucks.  Was she really called Alice Rose or did she step into her predecessor’s name as well as her marriage?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: ESSENtially confused over this family!
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 15 September 18 14:44 BST (UK) »
Alice Rose Hill, daughter of John & Lucy, was 3mo old in 1891, birth registered Mar qtr 1891, so consistent with a 5 December birthday but if so it was in 1890 and not later.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: ESSENtially confused over this family!
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 15 September 18 14:48 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage Alice Rose Essen, Ontario but no other details, sorry.
That’s on a subscription site but FS shows lots of Essens so maybe not. :-\
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Re: ESSENtially confused over this family!
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 15 September 18 14:59 BST (UK) »
The 1939 entry referred to by Philip does show Charles F Essen and Alice.

A green R has been inserted at some later date against Alice making her Alice R.  This could be a result of the double death reg.

1939 birthdate has same day and month as death reg but 1939 shows birthyear 1893 and death reg 1894

In view of the marital situation, I wonder if the children b 1919 and 1921 were not Charles children??
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Re: ESSENtially confused over this family!
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 15 September 18 15:32 BST (UK) »
The fact that the last Essen child was born in Essex in 1921, when the first Alice was settled in Canada, suggests to me that there are two Alices.

Alice 1, nee Hill, being the mother (only) of the first Charles, who also migrated to Canada at some point, and married there in 1934. (Alice may have remarried to a Mr Davis at some point between 1921-1934).

Alice 2 (nee Smith?) being the mother of the latter two Essen children, who are the redacted entries in 1939.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: ESSENtially confused over this family!
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 15 September 18 16:33 BST (UK) »
There is no other Essen marriage to an Alice (apart from the 1912) which could be attributed to the Essex births
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