Author Topic: (Edited!) Help with Death Certificate Handwriting  (Read 839 times)

Offline Barbara_D_W

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 8
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:29 BST (UK) »

 Ellesmere Street?

 Winslass

Thanks for the pointer, it looks feasible! I'm all over it right now!  ;)

Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,827
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: (Edited!) Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:36 BST (UK) »
Henry Dugan (21) was buried 18 Apr 1875 at St John the Baptist, Irlam.

Abode: Patricroft.


Patricroft was also the family's abode when the couple's son, Thomas Henry, was baptised at the same church on 5 July 1874.


From Lan-OPC
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline Barbara_D_W

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 8
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:37 BST (UK) »

 Ellesmere Street?

 Winslass

I'm pleased to say there is an Ellesmere Street in Partricroft, Irlam, and the baptism of his son a year earlier he was listed as living in Patricroft!. Just been down it on Google Earth, but sadly it is now all 1960's housing. My next steps will be to dig out map archives to double check, and if I order the son's birth certificate perhaps that will give a number of abode! Thanks. X

Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,827
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: (Edited!) Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:38 BST (UK) »
Marriage details (same church) in case you don't already have them:

13 Jul 1873 St John the Baptist, Irlam, Lancashire, England

Henry Dugen, 20, bachelor, labourer, of Irlam
Eliza Hurst, 19, spinster, of Irlam
     
Bride's father: Thomas Hurst, Labourer

Witnesses: Thomas Henry Willis; Ellen Simco

(Transcription from Lan-OPC)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,827
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: (Edited!) Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:43 BST (UK) »
There's a different spelling of the surname on the son's birth registration:

Thomas Henry DOUGGIN, mother's maiden name Hurst, Sep qtr 1873 Barton on Irwell 8c 569.

Unfortunately house numbers often aren't included, as you've seen from the death certificate.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline Barbara_D_W

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 8
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: (Edited!) Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:53 BST (UK) »
There's a different spelling of the surname on the son's birth registration:

Thomas Henry DOUGGIN, mother's maiden name Hurst, Sep qtr 1873 Barton on Irwell 8c 569.

Unfortunately house numbers often aren't included, as you've seen from the death certificate.

Thank you So So much! I have spent all day on this one person and you have found out about the spelling error for his son and the church of his burial which I didnt already know! I am really battling with the illiteracy of this generation and trying to make the links between different spellings of transcribers/recorders.

I dont have time sadly to look at this (just whilst I'm in the throws of it all) but I will look this evening. Can I ask what document gave you the church where he was buried please, and where did you search out the Douggin record?
Thanks again.

Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,827
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: (Edited!) Help with Death Certificate Handwriting
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 20 September 18 16:58 BST (UK) »
Have a look at

Lan-OPC: www.lan-opc.org.uk for transcriptions of the various parish register entries

GRO Online: www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates for the birth reg index details with mother's maiden name indexed.  Also on that site you can order the birth registration document itself, currently available under a pilot scheme as a £6 pdf - not technically a "certificate" but of identical usefulness for your purposes.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)