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How hard is it ?
« on: Tuesday 30 October 18 19:32 GMT (UK) »
OK so I have never delved into researching in Ireland and I'm wondering how how hard it will be.

Both my side and the wife's side have Irish connections but I have very little to go on.

Just looking for advice on whether they are worth perusing or just writing it off.

I'll put everything I know about each person.

1. John Foley. Born about 1779 and is on the 1851 census aged 72. The occupation is Paviour. Also according to the St Patrick's RC church in Soho, London register he married in 1811 and the entry reads 'Als Cotter' next to his name. 

2. Francis Mitchell. Born about 1791 and is on the 1851 census as a plasterer born in Ireland. Also his wife Honour is also from Ireland She was born in 1793.

3. Patrick Mulholland. Born about 1852 in Ireland. On his daughters birth Cert (She was born in Scotland). Nothing else apart from Ireland and his occupation in 1881 General Labourer, 1890 Chemist's Labourer 1891 Furnacemans.

4. John Mullholland. in 1876 John's occupation was farmer this is from his son, Patrick, Marriage cert. John'swife was Mary McCormick.

5. Bridget Henderson. Wife of Patrick Mullholland. Born in Ireland about 1852 and married in Scotland in 1876.

6. Archibald Henderson. According to the marriage cert in 1876 he was a Master Tailor.

7. Bridget McIlroy. Wife of Archibald Henderson.

Wife's side and possibly in the north is red
My side possibly in the South in blue

Scottish Research was hard enough (Don't t get me started on my Austrian lot)  so wondering if it worth the effort trying to locate these people.
Hugkulstone: All
Stogdon, Preedy, Harris, Jenkins, Thaler, Vail, Brown (Whitby), Browne (Sussex), Infield, Feldwick, Knowles, Dodman, Nicholls, Anderson, Dell, Brooker, Purvey, Gibb, Cox. Wifes Side:Burningham, Hill, Sanger, Morrison, Mulholland, Legg, Lake, Ewence, Gurd, Bowden.
And Whitby Town Players.

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Re: How hard is it ?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 October 18 20:07 GMT (UK) »
Extremely difficult with no location in Ireland

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Re: How hard is it ?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 October 18 20:59 GMT (UK) »
I haven't a clue how to find the two in blue.

As for the others, my plan of attack would be to look for the names of the fathers in Griffith's Valuation, and hope you are right about them being from what is now N. Ireland, since that narrows things down to 6 counties.

In Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, (1850s-1860s) the surnames Henderson and McIlroy occur together in the same parish in many parishes in all 6 counties now in Northern Ireland.

from https://www.johngrenham.com/surnames/

So that looks pretty tough, but maybe the first name Archibald and occupation will help.
Was that side  Protestant or Catholic?

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For Mullholland and McCormick, there might be a little more hope, assuming again they are in the North. The names occur together in the following parishes. I included Dublin, since these were all the results for all Ireland, which does add weight to your thinking they were from the North:

McCormick Households
County   Civil parish
Armagh   Killevy   4
Derry   Templemore   8
Derry   Tamlaght O Crilly   2
Down   Inishargy   1
Dublin   Dalkey   2

Mulholland Households:
Armagh   Killevy   1
Derry   Templemore   1
Derry   Tamlaght O Crilly   2
Down   Inishargy   1
Dublin   Dalkey   1

unfortunately on that side you have a John and Mary, common given names, and a farmer as well, which doesn't narrow it down at all.

However, you are just starting. A lot or most of the Irish records that are extant are online, unlike Austria, probably. And it might be doable.

Do you know if Bridget Henderson and her husband Patrick Mulholland were from the same place in Ireland? Sometimes, in the US at least, a person would marry someone from back home, at least in the generation that immigrated.
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

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Re: How hard is it ?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 October 18 21:15 GMT (UK) »
Extremely difficult with no location in Ireland

Thought as much lol

oldohiohome - Thanks for that.

That's a lot of info to get me going.
My Father in law died many years ago and they're not the most talkative family. He was the last one. There was talk of a Mullholland that went to the USA but that's all I know.

Would there be anything on the Master Tailor record wise ?

I'll print this off tomorrow and have a read and note writing session and maybe even a tentative search.

Thanks,

Neil.

EDIT:
I assume it's more Northern than Southern for the wife's lot as it's closer to Scotland.
Hugkulstone: All
Stogdon, Preedy, Harris, Jenkins, Thaler, Vail, Brown (Whitby), Browne (Sussex), Infield, Feldwick, Knowles, Dodman, Nicholls, Anderson, Dell, Brooker, Purvey, Gibb, Cox. Wifes Side:Burningham, Hill, Sanger, Morrison, Mulholland, Legg, Lake, Ewence, Gurd, Bowden.
And Whitby Town Players.

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Re: How hard is it ?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 October 18 21:22 GMT (UK) »
May not all be as difficult as you think.

Bridget (Henderson) Mulholland applied for Old Age Pension in 1920 which gives a location for the family in 1851- even though the family weren't found there it gives a location to start searching-
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=25055

Not difficult to find- I just put 'Archibald Henderson & bridget mcilroy' into Google.
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Re: How hard is it ?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 October 18 21:29 GMT (UK) »
Google also finds a sister for Bridget-
HENDERSON Catherine Archibald HENDERSON Bridget HENDERSON nee McELROY Drumduff Derryvullan Lurg Fermanagh 1851 - Archy 36 & Biddy 34 Henderson md 1840, Margaret 10, John 6, Catherine 5, Biddy 2 1916 - Mrs Catherine Morar, 258 Garngad Hill, Townhead, Glasgow Catherine born 1st June 1846
http://www.ireland-genealogy.com/view_category/Page-237.html

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 30 October 18 21:30 GMT (UK) »
May not all be as difficult as you think.

Bridget (Henderson) Mulholland applied for Old Age Pension in 1920 which gives a location for the family in 1851- even though the family weren't found there it gives a location to start searching-
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=25055

Not difficult to find- I just put 'Archibald Henderson & bridget mcilroy' into Google.


That Archibald is on Griffiths.

Edited to add:
Archibald Henderson, Drumduff Townland, Derryvullan Parish, Fermanagh
parcel 12, house office and land

James and Thomas McIlroy in Drumskool Townland and a John McIlroy in Irvinestown.

And did the marriage certificates say if the fathers were deceased?
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

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Re: How hard is it ?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 30 October 18 21:34 GMT (UK) »
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0313  IF they are yours and R.C

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 30 October 18 21:37 GMT (UK) »
There are more than a few Henderson marriages in the Presbyterian Church in Irvinestown but I suspect Bridget might have been R.C.
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