Joseph and Thomas Love, were they brothers?

[majm]

HO10/51
1841
Convict No. 1018, Joseph LOVE, Henry Porcher 1836, at Mr W Young, Lake River.

HO10/38
1846
Joseph LOVE,  Essex (where tried), 14 (sentence)  Do (Henry Porcher 1836) Tkt of Leave

HO10/40
1849
1018 Joseph LOVE, Henry Porcher 1836,  Colchester 1836 (where tried)  14 (sentence)  Ticket of Leave

ADD
I have been searching for a CF in the name of Joseph LOVE, alas I have NOT found it.  As he was recorded in a Muster in VDL as holding TL in 1849, I would not expect he was able to leave VDL until he had obtained a CF.   Not much of an opening in time for getting from VDL to England, via perhaps the gold rushes in California and then a journey across continental USA ... or to New Zealand or to China, South America, South Africa ... anywhere ...
 

JM

[Rosinish]

JM et al,

There does seem a definite link with all Loves (mentioned in this thread) & the Essex area.

I had a wee scoot round 'google' & there seems to have been Army connections in Portsmouth & Essex which could be the link via parent(s) whether related in another capacity (e.g. cousins) or siblings?

Annie

[mckha489]

There is no Joseph Love abt 1811/12 in Portsmouth or Hampshire baptisms.  (Both databases on FindMyPast)

[majm]

The image at reply #10 has Portsmouth,     as native place    (ADD, and aged 22 in 1836)

But I have not been seeking out the denomination of either Joseph or Thomas from any of the Tasmania records I have found...   The denomination is likely noted on some of the images of the convict records ...

https://libraries.tas.gov.au/family-history/Pages/Convict-life.aspx

scroll through and click on various links covering various indexes with live links to digitised images.

JM

[Rosinish]

JM.

My mention of Catholic early on was to do with the possible Irish connection simply for researching in Irish records which looks to be a red herring?

Solid Rock,

Can you please do a timeline of names/dates/events as things are a bit like a plate of spaghetti at the moment  with so much info. i.e. to make it easier to recall things it would be good to see all in one place?

Annie

[Dundee]

Name:    Joseph Love
Aliases:    none
Gender:    m
Date of Birth:    1818
Occupation:    Saddler
Date of Death:    1883
Age:    65 years
Crime:    Steeling oranges
Convicted at:    Essex Quarter Session
Sentence term:    14 years
Ship:    Henry Porcher
Departure date:    1st August, 1836
Arrival date:    15th November, 1836
Place of arrival    Van Diemen's Land
Passenger manifest    Travelled with 261 other convicts

Name:    Thomas Love
Aliases:    none
Gender:    m
Date of Birth:    1818
Occupation:    Silk weaver
Crime:    Stealing a watch
Convicted at:    Essex Quarter Session
Sentence term:    12 years
Ship:    Henry Porcher
Departure date:    1st August, 1836
Arrival date:    15th November, 1836
Place of arrival    Van Diemen's Land
Passenger manifest    Travelled with 261 other convicts

Unfortunately anyone can add information to that site and it appears that incorrect information has been added by contributors.  The transportation registers in HO11/10 only state name, date and place of trial, and sentence.

Debra 

[majm]

 

Here is a link to a marriage for a Thomas LOVE,  aged 25 and holding a TL.  He made his X mark.  Marriage 10 April 1843, Longford, (near Launceston, Tasmania) according to the rites of the United church of England and Ireland.   The witnesses do NOT include anyone with surname LOVE. https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-3p149j2k    The document does not include the name of the ship of arrival for either bride or groom, nor name their fathers, or give other family history clues.

There was not ever a formal 'Established Church' in the colonies.   

JM

[Dundee]

I have found that there was some connection between Joseph and Thomas.  In June 1844 Joseph was given a pass to go to H. JENNINGS Thos LOVE at Reibey's Ford, to return on 7 Sep 1844.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadspen,_Tasmania

Henry JENNINGS

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138101962

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/141767682

Thomas Love having on the 6th Nov.assaulted George Burgess was allowed 14 days to pay 20s. and 15s. costs. The plaintiff was at work in the paddock of Mr. Henry Jennings. Defendant came and asked who had taken away some boards he had left near the place; he was told they were at Mr. Jennings'; Love then committed the assault complained of......

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/66270965

Debra 

[Dundee]

I have found that there was some connection between Joseph and Thomas.  In June 1844 Joseph was given a pass to go to H. JENNINGS Thos LOVE at Reibey's Ford, to return on 7 Sep 1844.

Forgot the link:

https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON82-1-1  (image 229)

Debra