Joseph and Thomas Love, were they brothers?

[Dundee]

It is thought that they were both born in Ireland but Joseph lived in Halstead and Thomas lived in Coggleshall when they were convicted, Joseph was a saddle maker and Thomas a silk weaver.
Looking for their births and if they were brothers also if Joseph married Elizabeth in Tasmania or England.  Thank you.

.....the ages on their convict records are both 18.

Their convict records do not show that information.

Joseph was aged 22, a blacksmith, native of Portsmouth.  Thomas was aged 19, a garden labourer, native of 'Cogshill'.  The native place is usually the birthplace.

Debra 

[majm]

Here is a snip that gives their native place and other info,  which if deciphered would likely support  Dundee's post.

Tasmania Convict Records, free to search online 

ADD
the image shows Joseph's sentence was for 14 years,  Thomas' was for 7 years.

JM

[Rosinish]

.....the ages on their convict records are both 18.

Their convict records do not show that information.

Joseph was aged 22, a blacksmith, native of Portsmouth.  Thomas was aged 19, a garden labourer, native of 'Cogshill'.  The native place is usually the birthplace.

That would definitely rule them out as being twins.

Annie

[Rosinish]

Looks like ''Cogshill' should be Coggeshall, Essex (a long way from Portsmouth)?

Annie

[solidrock]

Name:    Joseph Love
Aliases:    none
Gender:    m
Date of Birth:    1818
Occupation:    Saddler
Date of Death:    1883
Age:    65 years
Crime:    Steeling oranges
Convicted at:    Essex Quarter Session
Sentence term:    14 years
Ship:    Henry Porcher
Departure date:    1st August, 1836
Arrival date:    15th November, 1836
Place of arrival    Van Diemen's Land
Passenger manifest    Travelled with 261 other convicts

Name:    Thomas Love
Aliases:    none
Gender:    m
Date of Birth:    1818
Occupation:    Silk weaver
Crime:    Stealing a watch
Convicted at:    Essex Quarter Session
Sentence term:    12 years
Ship:    Henry Porcher
Departure date:    1st August, 1836
Arrival date:    15th November, 1836
Place of arrival    Van Diemen's Land
Passenger manifest    Travelled with 261 other convicts

[majm]

  Agree,  Annie, 

JM

[mckha489]

Joseph had a record.  23 previous convictions

01 July 1836 - Chelmsford Chronicle

[mckha489]

01 July 1836 - Chelmsford Chronicle

[Jamjar]

Name:    Joseph Love
Aliases:    none
Gender:    m
Date of Birth:    1818
Occupation:    Saddler
Date of Death:    1883
Age:    65 years
Crime:    Steeling oranges
Convicted at:    Essex Quarter Session
Sentence term:    14 years
Ship:    Henry Porcher
Departure date:    1st August, 1836
Arrival date:    15th November, 1836
Place of arrival    Van Diemen's Land
Passenger manifest    Travelled with 261 other convicts

Name:    Thomas Love
Aliases:    none
Gender:    m
Date of Birth:    1818
Occupation:    Silk weaver
Crime:    Stealing a watch
Convicted at:    Essex Quarter Session
Sentence term:    12 years
Ship:    Henry Porcher
Departure date:    1st August, 1836
Arrival date:    15th November, 1836
Place of arrival    Van Diemen's Land
Passenger manifest    Travelled with 261 other convicts

Is this from the official government website, as it is incorrect?

I was just looking at the had written image and Thomas was sentenced to 7 years which was extended due to offences during his time and he was a free man in 1844.

The last entry for Joseph was 12-9-1846 and given his 14 year sentence and his extra time given for further crimes committed, I can’t see him being in England in 1851, unless he absconded.

Jamjar