John Fitzgibbon Butler

[Maiden Stone]

Hello, as title states really, I've cropped the image to show only the occupation however to give an idea, she is named Eliza Parker, 57 years old living with my 3rd great grandfather/grandmother and their kids.

Returning to original question. What was stated as Eliza's relationship to head of household? Who was head of household? Apology if I've missed this information.

[Lily M]

Head of the household was John Jeffries aged 40

No relationship was given

[heywood]

Baptism in Easton, Hampshire

Eliza Drake 30/11/1803  parents Thomas and Frances


Now where does Henry Hooker fit in?   It doesn’t look as though Eliza married his father

There must be two Elizas  born Easton as they appear in different places in the censuses but Henry Hooker is with Eliza Parker and John Jeffries also at times. The ages vary but maybe mother/daughter or cousins or just acquaintances.

[JefferiesFamilyTree]

Just for more information
Henry Edward Hooker married Emily Ann Wills 1855 with father Edward.
The baptism I found earlier, father Henry.

1861 4/149/46
Henry and Emily with children plus

Eliza Hooker 72 yrs b Easton, Hampshire

Both Henry and this Eliza’s age varies on census.

I just wonder if there is some relationship but might not matter in the grand scheme of things.

Hello all, I've just logged in. Thank you all so much for chipping in !

Could the "hookers" family just be another coincidence that Eliza Parker and hookers were born in the same place? I have a good feeling that Eliza Parker is somehow related to John Jefferies. They met in 1841 in the big household, Eliza Parker was then living with some of her children in 1851, supposedly, Edward her husband had passed away at this point. Eliza Parker as people mention probably didn't live there in 1861 but visited on census night.

[JefferiesFamilyTree]

Baptism in Easton, Hampshire

Eliza Drake 30/11/1803  parents Thomas and Frances


Now where does Henry Hooker fit in?   It doesn’t look as though Eliza married his father

Hi lily, me and a DNA related created a tree to find this John Jefferies, She did find this marriage and is quite confident with it.

I'm just not sure how John's father and mother married and had John but not look after him in junior years. 1841, he would of been around 18-22 roughly.

[JefferiesFamilyTree]

Sorry, are you suggesting that this is John Jeffries the gas lighter, who married Louisa?

Looks like the butler had a middle name.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGFD-PLM

Jamjar

It's the same one indeed, John Jefferies was supposedly a Butler for John Fitzgibbon in 1851. I'm just taking a wild guess but John's earlier years do you think his father got him the job as a Butler?

[Lily M]

I think the 1819 marriage to Eliza Drake seems promising as that John Jeffries lived in Henley on Thames.  Same as John jnr in 1891.

Looks like Eliza (mother to John) then went on to marry Edward Parker in 1826, so John Jeffries senior must have died before then.

Eliza (now Parker) is living in the same building as John Jeffries in 1841

[JefferiesFamilyTree]

I think the 1819 marriage to Eliza Drake seems promising as that John Jeffries lived in Henley on Thames.  Same as John jnr in 1891.

Looks like Eliza (mother to John) then went on to marry Edward Parker in 1826, so John Jeffries senior must have died before then.

Eliza (now Parker) is living in the same building as John Jeffries in 1841

If this is true, we need to find a possible baptism for John Jefferies. I emailed St George Hanover Square. They couldn't find a baptism for him anywhere. If I go back to talking about the censuses. He lived in Middlesex from his marriage up until 1881. From 1881 to 1891 he moves to Fulham in which he then claims to be born in Henley on Thames.

Going back also to my other question, if John did move out before the 1841 census, his parents probably were still married. BUT what confuses me, is his father was a Butler, didn't they have a hard time marrying and keeping relationships?

[Girl Guide]

It is quite possible that dad helped son to a job as a butler.  Without any written proof it will be just speculation.

I did notice on the 1851 census record that John appears to have a middle initial of I.  Where did you find John in later census records and did he stay a butler throughout or change jobs?  Was he supposed to have married or stayed single?