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Re: People giving incorrect birth places?
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 11 November 18 20:18 GMT (UK) »
1841 census Haywood St, Hulme HO107/583/9 folio 5 pg 2
Jane Frazer 50 b. Ireland
Mary Frazer 20 cotton reeler
Henry Royle 9
Jane Royle 6
Mary & the Royles born in Lancashire
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: People giving incorrect birth places?
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 11 November 18 20:22 GMT (UK) »
1841 census Haywood St, Hulme HO107/583/9 folio 5 pg 2
Jane Frazer 50 b. Ireland
Mary Frazer 20 cotton reeler
Henry Royle 9
Jane Royle 6
Mary & the Royles born in Lancashire

Jane does seem to be Scottish (1851 and 1861 census'), perhaps it was a error on the 1841 census?
Jane Frazer died in 1864 aged 78 and is buried alongside her grandaughter Jane Royle who died in 1861.
So it seem's that we have another Frazer in Mary?
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Willenhall:Aston
Wales:Griffiths,Jennings
Warwickshire: Harper
Ireland County Dublin: Reid

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Re: People giving incorrect birth places?
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 11 November 18 21:43 GMT (UK) »
Just realised that the Alexander H Fraser whom was buried in 1836 at the Bridgwater Street chapel was just before Jane purchased the grave plot hence why he was not buried with the other Frasers.
Just trying to trace him now.
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Wales:Griffiths,Jennings
Warwickshire: Harper
Ireland County Dublin: Reid

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Re: People giving incorrect birth places?
« Reply #39 on: Monday 12 November 18 07:49 GMT (UK) »
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Just realised that the Alexander H Fraser whom was buried in 1836 at the Bridgwater Street chapel was just before Jane purchased the grave plot hence why he was not buried with the other Frasers
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Not sure about that ! Isabella Royle was buried on 1 Feb 1837 in Jane Frazer's plot. Alexander Hagert Fraser was buried 3 days later in a public grave.
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Re: People giving incorrect birth places?
« Reply #40 on: Monday 12 November 18 08:36 GMT (UK) »
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Just realised that the Alexander H Fraser whom was buried in 1836 at the Bridgwater Street chapel was just before Jane purchased the grave plot hence why he was not buried with the other Frasers
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Not sure about that ! Isabella Royle was buried on 1 Feb 1837 in Jane Frazer's plot. Alexander Hagert Fraser was buried 3 days later in a public grave.

I see! thats my bad I must of misread the dates.
Looks like it must be another Alexander!
Research Intrests.
Manchester:Fraser, Jennings, Reid, Worsley
Wolverhampton:Hill, Griffiths, Harper, Whitehouse, Tarbuck, Asprey
Willenhall:Aston
Wales:Griffiths,Jennings
Warwickshire: Harper
Ireland County Dublin: Reid

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Re: People giving incorrect birth places?
« Reply #41 on: Monday 12 November 18 08:57 GMT (UK) »
William Royle left a will:

20th April 1837 ...will of William Royle late of Clarendon Street Chorlton upon Medlock in the County of Lancaster Baker and Shopkeeper deceased was proved and Admon Granted unto Jane Fraser the Sole Exor.

William
Dent (Haltwhistle and Sacriston), Bell and Jetson (Haltwhistle), Postle, Ward, Longstaff, Purvis, Manners, Parnaby and Hardy (Co. Durham), Kennedy and McRobert (Banffshire), Reid(Bathgate), Watson (Wemyss), Graham (Libberton), Sandilands (Carmichael), Munro (Dingwall)

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Re: People giving incorrect birth places?
« Reply #42 on: Monday 12 November 18 09:54 GMT (UK) »
William Royle left a will:
20th April 1837 ...will of William Royle late of Clarendon Street Chorlton upon Medlock in the County of Lancaster Baker and Shopkeeper deceased was proved and Admon Granted unto Jane Fraser the Sole Exor.

Short and sweet
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6PF3-HNJ?i=31&cat=126866

The Testator died the Fourth day of March 1837

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Re: People giving incorrect birth places?
« Reply #43 on: Monday 12 November 18 10:27 GMT (UK) »
possible for Hannah in 1851 has another sister

89 Reather Street, St Georges, Manchester HO107/2230 folio 10 pg 12
Ann Frazer head 28 silk winder
Eliza sister 23 silk winder
both born Manchester

Looks like the transcribers don't cope with the z with a tail and think it's a g, so Frazer becomes Frager.
1841 place of birth choice was in county, Ireland, Scotland or Foreign Parts so the Ireland could be an error.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: People giving incorrect birth places?
« Reply #44 on: Monday 12 November 18 10:42 GMT (UK) »
Think you can rule that one out, Osprey - Eliza married 1 May 1851 - address given as 89 Reather Street with father named as Joseph Frazer, shoemaker.

William
Dent (Haltwhistle and Sacriston), Bell and Jetson (Haltwhistle), Postle, Ward, Longstaff, Purvis, Manners, Parnaby and Hardy (Co. Durham), Kennedy and McRobert (Banffshire), Reid(Bathgate), Watson (Wemyss), Graham (Libberton), Sandilands (Carmichael), Munro (Dingwall)