People giving incorrect birth places?

[Fraser178]

Lots of progress made whilst I slept and then went to work

Looks to me that siblings married siblings;

23 Dec 1846 St John the Evangelist, Blackpool, Lancashire
James Haffenden - of full age, Butler, Bachelor, Blackpool
Mary Ann Fraser - of full age, Spinster, Blackpool
Groom's Father: William Haffenden, Gardener
Bride's Father: Alexander Fraser, Mechanic
Witness: J. Fraser; Hannah Fraser

Sorry it this has already been found.

Another possible child and witness to above Marriage?

19 Nov 1837 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Fraser - Full age, Stone Mason, Bachelor, Norfolk St
Janet Dow - (X), Full age, Widow, Norfolk St
Groom's Father: Alexander Fraser, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Smart, Stone Mason

2 Baptisms St Peter, Liverpool;
ALEXANDER Fraser  25 Apr 1838
JOHN JAMES Frazer 21 Jul 1840
Parents JOHN/JANE, John a Stone Mason

John could be a possible child, as he would have the same birthplace as Hannah. Is it possible that the J.Fraser is Jane Fraser though?

[trish1120]

Yes J Fraser may be Jane Fraser

[Fraser178]

Yes J Fraser may be Jane Fraser

Big thanks for all your help with this Trish by the way and everyone else who've helped me, 10 years and finally made some leeway with Andrew!
Now I just have to figure out why I cant find his baptism!

[ShaunJ]

Now I just have to figure out why I cant find his baptism!

I think the only one of Alexander and Jane's children for which we have a baptism record is Hannah (1818) who was born in Liverpool in 1817. So we are missing:

Isabella circa 1807
Andrew circa 1809 Manchester
Jane circa 1811
Mary Ann circa 1816 Liverpool  (we know she was older than Hannah because Hannah was stated to be the youngest in her marriage announcement)

[Fraser178]

Now I just have to figure out why I cant find his baptism!

I think the only one of Alexander and Jane's children for which we have a baptism record is Hannah (1818) who was born in Liverpool in 1817. So we are missing:

Isabella circa 1807
Andrew circa 1809 Manchester
Jane circa 1811
Mary Ann circa 1816 Liverpool  (we know she was older than Hannah because Hannah was stated to be the youngest in her marriage announcement)

Yeah thats all correct. Considering Janes (the mother) age it would be reasonable that Isabella is the eldest child.
It does appear that we are looking at a non-conformist family from the burials and Hannahs baptism in liverpool in 1818.
Hannahs baptism gives the mom as Jane Kelso, which i cant find on any births matching the information I have which probably also means that she was born non-conformist as well.

Perhaps Alexanders job meant they were moving around the Northwest for work hence the mixed birth places?

[Fraser178]

I see that Mary Ann Haffenden (nee Fraser) has an obituary for her death in 1881, could one of you pull it up? I can't get it to load for some reason.

I've just seen that Jane Frasers (Andrews supposed sister) son Robert Grainger is living with Mary Ann Haffenden in 1861! Another concrete link between Mary Ann/Hannah (the Liverpool children) to Andrew/Jane/Isabella (the possible manchester ones).

[ShaunJ]

I see that Mary Ann Haffenden (nee Fraser) has an obituary for her death in 1881, could one of you pull it up? I can't get it to load for some reason.

Can't see one - what paper? what date?

[Fraser178]

I see that Mary Ann Haffenden (nee Fraser) has an obituary for her death in 1881, could one of you pull it up? I can't get it to load for some reason.

Can't see one - what paper? what date?

31st July 1881 in the manchester courier, I had to search 'Mary Ann' as haffenden is a nightmare for the software to transcribe. No worries if you cant find it, I imagine it won't tell us much.

[Fraser178]

Stumbled across this whilst searching. I would say its a mis-transcribed record but this is actually in the northamptonshire non-conformist collection and claims that Hannah was born in northampton but baptised in Liverpool.