Trying to trace Charles William Chapman born approx 1880 lived in Croydon

[louisa maud]

Going back to
James William and Alice Knowles, there are 2 more baptisms found
St Pancras Camden
12/04/1886
Daisy Kate born 22/03/1886
James William 10/04/1884
same info and address as at previous baptism of twins and John Joseph

I cannot find this family on 1881 unless someone else has and I have missed it, so poor Alice, married at 17 had at least 5 births before she died aged 26

Louisa Maud

Louisa Maud

[condesa]

So, it looks as if Charles added Albert to his name as his name is also recorded Albert Charles William when Daisy married in 1927.  I can't find a death for Albert Charles with a date/age corresponding with either 1872 or 1880.

The address he gave at his 1902 marriage was 45 Churchill Road, Croydon.  Is anyone able to look up this address in the 1901 census and see who was living there then?  That might give us another clue.

[avm228]

1901 census: RG13/637/177/11

45 Churchill Rd, Croydon

William Andrews 25 Straw packer London City
Lily B do wife 20 Wandsworth
William G.J. do son 1 Croydon
Daisy Pollard niece 11 Wandsworth
Lily Pollard niece 7 Walthamstow

[condesa]

Thanks.  That at least eliminates that idea.

[jonw65]

There is an Elizabeth Chapman death in Lewes in 1900 aged 21, possibly associated with the birth and death of a baby Elizabeth.

Possible birth reg to tie in with that
Dec 1879 Lewes 2b 200
Winder, Elizabeth
mother Earl

Baptism at Newhaven, 1 Feb 1880
Elizabeth
parents William Henry + Mary Winder
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6LNW-B42

The family in 1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q274-SWK4

[Dundee]

Going back to
James William and Alice Knowles, there are 2 more baptisms found
St Pancras Camden
12/04/1886
Daisy Kate born 22/03/1886
James William 10/04/1884
same info and address as at previous baptism of twins and John Joseph

I cannot find this family on 1881 unless someone else has and I have missed it, so poor Alice, married at 17 had at least 5 births before she died aged 26

Louisa Maud

James and Alice in 1881 at St Pancras with Nelly and the twins.

Class: RG11; Piece: 199; Folio: 31; Page: 17

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-R2ZL

Debra 

[louisa maud]

Thank you Dundee, I did find it last night

Louisa Maud

[condesa]

Another marriage:
Albert Charles (son) married Dorothy Dorrington Dec qtr Brighton 1933.  They had a son Maurice Frederick registered Dec qtr Stepney 1934 who was christened in Essex 30/12/1934
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLGB-SZJG

Not found anything else yet.

Susan

[condesa]

For all of you who have been trying to help me, it looks like the Winder connection is right.  According to the marriage certificate, Charles William married Elizabeth Winder 16/7/1898 in Newhaven.  They were both aged 19.  Charles father - James Chapman, artist.  Eizabeth's father - William Henry Winder, Goods foreman (deceased).  Witnesses were William Henry Winder and Alice Chapman.  I will follow up now on Elizabeth's death and the birth and death of the baby Elizabeth.

Assuming Alice was Charles's sister, it is looking likely his parents were James William and Alice Hargate Madaline Knowles.

Thank you all.

So, Maryann Rhoads was Charles second wife.  I'm still trying to find death records for Charles and Maryann.