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Re: Arnold transportation to Australia 1844-1851
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 22 November 18 03:37 GMT (UK) »
On the list of immigrants link pasted by majm, the 'name of the person on whose application sent out' is 'Jas Ratcliffe'

James Ratcliffe looks to has been a property owner at Swanport on Tasmania's east coast, which fits with there being Arnold family registrations for 'Spring Bay'

"in the service of James Ratcliffe, Swanport"
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203387395

On an online tree, this has been noted as Elizabeth's death in 1870 - reg Spring Bay
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-39p150j2k

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Re: Arnold transportation to Australia 1844-1851
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 November 18 03:56 GMT (UK) »
......she and children migrate and meet up with him Tas, so I'm trying avenues on both sides of the world.

What do you have that places William in Tasmania?

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Re: Arnold transportation to Australia 1844-1851
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 November 18 04:12 GMT (UK) »
So Elizabeth's youngest child as per 1851 census was born 1843, 1844 or 1845  (aged 6)...   and she is recorded there as a widow aged 48.    Have you sought (just in case not Baptists) any baptism records for the younger children to check if the clergy noted any possible margin notes re any punative father ...

Not every person who arrived in Van Diemens Land was a person under the sentence of a civil court ... there were the soldiers who came as garrison forces, the administrative staff, the clergy, the surveyors, the settlers, many people came to VDL by sea who were not convicts. 

If a female with children to support is found recorded as a Widow on the 1851 census I can appreciate that the word 'widow' may have a broader meaning than a person whose marriage has ended with the death of her lawful husband.  So it may be possible that the marriage had ended by a sentence of transportation beyond the seas, or he may well have simply moved on, to a different town/county or migrated to a different country ... 1851 ... Gold Fever in California commenced in January 1848 ...  Non conformists supported the Wakefield Emigration schemes ... New Zealand in the 1840s,  or the Colony of South Australia ....  or just about anywhere within the realm of the Empire...

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Re: Arnold transportation to Australia 1844-1851
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 November 18 04:31 GMT (UK) »

https://stors.tas.gov.au/CB7-12-1-7
page 62 - 63
Baptist ... non conformist, and adult baptism, so do not anticipate finding baptisms for the children.

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majm notes that the family were Baptist, this page says that Cutsdean had a Baptist chapel from 1838, but probably not a graveyard
http://churchdb.gukutils.org.uk/GLS1200.php

If William did die in Cutsdean, where else may he have been buried?



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Re: Arnold transportation to Australia 1844-1851
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 November 18 04:35 GMT (UK) »
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8774968 Colonial Times, Hobart 8 December 1853

AUDIT OFFICE, 3rd December, 1853.— Accounts  for contingent expenses sent to the Colonial Treasury for payment between the 25th ultimo and this date : .........................  Towner and Townley, Thompson and Co, W. Jackson and Co., I. G. Reeves, G. F. Evans, Boys and Hall, A. Nicholas, The Immigration Agent, Hobart, repayment, &c. ; J Radcliffe, &c., assessments ; M. Fitzgerald, rent ; S. Hall, lime ; R. Pedrick, sweeping chimneys ; .....

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Re: Arnold transportation to Australia 1844-1851
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 22 November 18 04:36 GMT (UK) »
Baptists could be with Methodists, or other Protesting denominations, or C of E but not likely to be with Roman Catholic.

ADD,  sorry I was not clear,  the above comment is in respect of where a possible burial for William the husband of Elizabeth if he died in Cutsdean ...  :-[  :-[  :-[

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Re: Arnold transportation to Australia 1844-1851
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 22 November 18 04:51 GMT (UK) »
So Elizabeth's youngest child as per 1851 census was born 1843, 1844 or 1845  (aged 6)...   and she is recorded there as a widow aged 48.    Have you sought (just in case not Baptists) any baptism records for the younger children to check if the clergy noted any possible margin notes re any punative father ...

Emma and John were baptised together in 1846.  Father William a labourer of Cutsdean.

I assume that this is John's birth reg from FreeBMD:

Births Sep 1844
ARNOL, John
Winchcomb
11   489

However I am having trouble finding it on the GRO indexes.  As they are using the original registrations and different indexing rules, this may mean that there is something irregular about it.  I might just be blind too  8)

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Re: Arnold transportation to Australia 1844-1851
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 22 November 18 05:11 GMT (UK) »
I cannot see anyone named William ARNOLD or variatons whose personal details match in the criminal registers as being transported.

Most of the immigration records that survive are for the port of Hobart only.

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Re: Arnold transportation to Australia 1844-1851
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 22 November 18 05:19 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps you have forgotten this old post:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=327166.msg3269125

He was transported as William HARNOLL on the Palmyra in 1846, and yes, he was assigned to James RADCLIFFE/RATCLIFFE.

You will find all of his convict records digitised here:

https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/?

Just put the name in the search box and then choose 'convicts' from the left hand menu.

Image of conduct record comes up straight away.

Description list is image 38.

Indent is images 52 and 53 (2 pages)

Debra  :)