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Wortmann arrival South Australia
« on: Wednesday 19 December 18 06:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I am wondering if anyone can locate a record of this families arrival in South Australia 1852?

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Re: Wortmann arrival South Australia
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 07:15 GMT (UK) »
Why do you think he arrived in South Australia in 1852 when he arrived in Victoria in 1857 from Hamburg?
Had he made an earlier previous voyage to South Australia?
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Re: Wortmann arrival South Australia
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 07:51 GMT (UK) »
To find out more about his shipping record you may need to ask for help from someone who has a different subscription to Ancestry from what I can access.
Also the records are in German, I think.

I can see a possibility for his name as Joh. Hein. WORTMANN arriving Melbourne, but no more available to me.

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Re: Wortmann arrival South Australia
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 08:24 GMT (UK) »
Mr J H WORTMANN 20 years arrived 1 Oct 1857 on the GOTTENGEN  There is no further info on the passenger list I've viewed.

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Re: Wortmann arrival South Australia
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 08:46 GMT (UK) »
This has his wife entering before him.

I can’t see a marriage in VIC for them:

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=5960012

Added: Nor can I see the birth of their 6 children, as per his will on PROV.

Added: Married NSW: 1358/1865 WORTMANN Henry to POPP Anna ALBURY

Added: Children WORTMAN/WORTMANN to Henry and Annie born NSW 1865 - 1876

Added: Although his will in on PROV, he died NSW:

12294/1910 WORTMANN John H parents HERRMANN and ELSIE ALBURY

Annie died in VIC:

1921 10103 WORTMANN Annie parents Popp Jacob and Annie (Unknown) at GRANYA aged 80

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Re: Wortmann arrival South Australia
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 22:27 GMT (UK) »
To find out more about his shipping record you may need to ask for help from someone who has a different subscription to Ancestry from what I can access.
Also the records are in German, I think.

I can see a possibility for his name as Joh. Hein. WORTMANN arriving Melbourne, but no more available to me.

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The section of Ancestry which may hold further information regarding the immigration is
“Hamburg Passenger Lists 1850 1934”. Possibly image etc.

In Memoriam WORTMANN.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101155065
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Re: Wortmann arrival South Australia
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 December 18 04:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Thanks for all the replies, I was just looking for a few more certificates, or ships records to add to a display on the Wortmann family at the Granya Pioneer Museum.

https://granyapioneermuseum.webs.com/

Our local history reads that he arrived sometime in 1851, spent time at Hahndorf in SA before traveling by wagon to Jindera where he met Annie Poppe.

Now we have made things interesting, I will look again on Ancestry and see what I can find of him arriving in Victoria.

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Re: Wortmann arrival South Australia
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 20 December 18 04:47 GMT (UK) »
I attached a snip from the passenger list of him arriving Victoria on the GOTTENGEN.
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Re: Wortmann arrival South Australia
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 20 December 18 05:08 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Cando,

I just found it too, thanks to the hints, that looks like the right ship, so our local researchers got it wrong. Mind you this would have been researched 20 years ago when the Museum opened.
Our history says he spent time in Germantown, now known as Hahndorf. Holbrook, which is not far from Jindera, where he met Annie Poppe was known as Germantown up until WW1.

I have attached the misleading information from our book.

Looks like I will have a little extra to add to our display.

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Balcombe, Sussex. Warnes, Norfolk and Australia. Hansen, Denmark and Canada. Williams, Canada. Warnock, Forsythe, Joyce, Sayers, in Ireland.