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Will of 1508
« on: Thursday 20 December 18 17:39 GMT (UK) »
I would be very grateful if someone could work their magic on a couple of extracts from a will of 1508. Once again I think I can see something in it which may well not be there.

Thanks,

Dave :)

 (Will of Robert Lee of Naneby in Record Office for Leics., Leicester and Rutland)


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Re: Will of 1508
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 December 18 18:21 GMT (UK) »
Here is the first image (all I have time for tonight):

Lady gyle in buswourth xijd It(em) to new

bold church xijd Thes be the dettes yt I

Rob(er)t Lee aught In p(ri)mis

To Rauffe shaw off Newbold ______ xls

To s(ir) Thomas off barleston ______ xijs

To Will(ia)m [Large?] off Newbold ______ xvs

To henry butlre off [whetston???] ______ xijs

Also yt is my wyll yt I be brought hame

according to my pour ande my dettes paid aff



yt = that

aught = owed

Rauffe = Ralph

pour = power (probably)  He is saying that his burying should match his means.

Potentially barleston & butlre could begin with C.  I would need to see how he forms his C to be certain.

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Re: Will of 1508
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 20 December 18 18:32 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks horsleydown86, this is great. I was hoping that I was reading Newbold correctly. Naneby was more or less equidistant between Newbold Verdon and Market Bosworth and Newbold church was also left money in the will of 1545 of Thomas Lea of Bagworth (whose son, mentioned in this will, was a major farmer in Bosworth around 1570) so this seems to be further circumstantial evidence that these Leas of 1508 and 1545 were probably related. Iím not sure what the significance of Newbold was for these individuals, but Newbold was probably on the most direct route from Bosworth to Bagworth.

Dave :)


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Re: Will of 1508
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 20 December 18 20:38 GMT (UK) »
Second clip.

executaires to p(er)forme and fulfyll this my
p(re)sent testament And to disposse my gooddes
for the helth off my soule as they shall
annswere afore the fayce off god at the
the day off Judgement Also I macke
William Lee and Richard Ierland(?) my
overseers off this my last Wyll  Wytnes
Sir(?) William Cleanne prest Thomas Ierland
William drane(?) With other moo


I know back then priests often were called 'Sir' as well as knights.
I suspect this is what that symbol is, but am happy to be corrected!
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Will of 1508
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 December 18 03:54 GMT (UK) »
I know back then priests often were called 'Sir' as well as knights.
I suspect this is what that symbol is, but am happy to be corrected!

You are right with this reading, goldie.  It's a version of the ser brevigraph, here doing duty for s(ir) as well.

Unfortunately the useful part of this clip is the same as was posted and answered here:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804590.0

This version just has four extra lines of standard formalities?


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Re: Will of 1508
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 December 18 09:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the transcriptions, they are very helpful. I apologise for posting more or less a duplicate of part Iíd already posted. If I could read it better myself I maybe wouldn't have made such a silly error. I hope it will be O.K. to post a couple more extracts soon, which Iíll try not to duplicate. Unfortunately I must go Christmas food shopping first.

Dave :)

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Re: Will of 1508
« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 December 18 10:13 GMT (UK) »
I know back then priests often were called 'Sir' as well as knights.
I suspect this is what that symbol is, but am happy to be corrected!

You are right with this reading, goldie.  It's a version of the ser brevigraph, here doing duty for s(ir) as well.



Thanks HD for verifying this.
Best wishes of the season  :)
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs