Queens Road cemetery, Walthamstow

[Linda Marcley]

Hello, that is wonderful information to confirm my thought about Annie Young plot.
My other great grandmother is Minnie Kirkham 1B1930 burried 3/1/1911 in section 34.
I am thinking that it was bought by the Allen family at some point.
I do have photo graphics taken I'd say pre-1930 of the headstones. I'm assuming they are no longer there but will check when I visit.

Thank you so much for the info. can't wait to visit. I've been able to find some of the old home addresses via census records, and will stay on Orford street, less than a mile from where they lived.
Root chat is wonderful.  And i'm enjoying the other sites about the history of Walthamstow.

[Retriever]

Hello, I've checked the other record for you.

Firstly it says Minnie Kirkham was buried 1901 not 1911 aged 53, and that George Edward Kirkham bought a headstone. Unfortunately the entire entry is crossed through in red.

The other two occupants are Dorothy Allan and Hilda Horder but the headstone was bought by Raymond Ellis.

I hope this helps.

[Ladyhawk]

Hello, I've checked the other record for you.

Firstly it says Minnie Kirkham was buried 1901 not 1911 aged 53, and that George Edward Kirkham bought a headstone. Unfortunately the entire entry is crossed through in red.

The other two occupants are Dorothy Allan and Hilda Horder but the headstone was bought by Raymond Ellis.

I hope this helps.

For info. from Anc*y from England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
it gives the date as 1911

Minnie Kirkham Age: 53
Death Place:12 Turner Road
Burial Date: 1 Mar 1911
Burial Place: Waltham Forest Greater London England
Cemetery: Queens Road Cemetery
Grave number:I B 1930
Interment Number:22438
Cemetery Notes: Consecrated

[Chris Doran]

By an amazing stroke of luck, I happen to have a photo which  includes the Allen headstone, the black one on the right below. Charles Allen is the first named. Sorry the quality is rather poor. I was actually trying to photograph the one in the middle with a square vase, and was fighting a low winter evening sun behind. However, it shows Linda what to look for and confirms our earlier suspicion that the crossings-out refer to grave re-use. I don't appear to have got near A.797.

@Retriever: I may get there in the not too distant future, though not immediately as the cemetery is still in winter early closing times, but please send me your relatives' details sometime.

[Retriever]

Ladyhawk, I was looking at the Register of Grave Spaces and that gives the year of death as 1901. An error on someone's part.

Chris, the graves I am interested in are 803c and 804c, Doris and Ethel Clark and Aslett Clark.

I am a bit concerned re the removal of Minnie Kirkham's headstone. She died in 1911 but the plot appears to have been sold and her headstone removed in 1967/8. Surely if there was a headstone for her the plot must have been sold to her family, and 56 years seems rather a short time to elapse before re-sale.

Perhaps mine have been sold on.

[Linda Marcley]

Thank you everyone for your comments and research !  That is quite amazing chance that you (Chris) had a recent photo from plot 1B1930 with the Allen name.  Also that my great grandmother Minnie, died on Feb 23rd, (1911) yesterday, the day we started discussing this.  Kind of cool.
Many good family stories about this strong woman (Minnie Avis Kirkham).  6 children, the youngest, 1 yr when her husband (thomas) died at age 39. He was a Carman with the railway. She was allowed to place 3 of the younger boys in the Railway Servants Orphanage, until some were 14 years old, but they came home on holidays.  She worked for the railway as a cleaner after her husbands death. (Both she and her husband died of TB.   I have the bible given to one of her sons in 1902 when he left the orphanage at age 14. 
Except for one of the children, all moved from Walthamstow by around 1930, arriving in Connecticut and Albany, NY area of USA. 
Not sure I understand the rules for the 'reuse' of family graves and removal of headstones, but will be pleased to just visit Walthamstow and this cemetery, as well as St Mary's and other old landmarks.
I'm going to try to attach a headstone picture taken decades ago. It says "family" so I wonder if that has meaning. 

[Chris Doran]

Regrettably none of Retriever's Clarks appears in the MIs list on the Waltham Forest FHS website, which also contains the maps mentioned by Linda and current grave photos. There is a slight glimmer of hope in that C803 seems to have fallen down the crack between maps C16 and C17 and might have been missed, but I'm not hopeful.

I think the "Family Grave" on Minnie's headstone may have been a statement of intent, but the family sounds to have scattered widely, so it was never realised. This may also be why no one renewed the lease on the grave if the cemetery made such an offer and had the correct address to send it to.

[Linda Marcley]

Thank you everyone for the research. These explanations make sense. I look forward to visiting in April.

[martzy]

I have just come across a record that maybe be my Gt Grandfather Frank James Burton..  it is a  register of a death 1906 grave number 436D  Internment #18686 not consecrated is anyone able to help me with this record please The only record I have for him is a census record 1901 aged 46, then in 1911 census my Gt grandmother is stated as a widow. They were living in Stockport in 1901 and I am not sure if this cemetery is close to that area Thank you in advance Have spent many years now trying to find records of him