Still going mad re the Langtons!

[AMBLY]

Still not 'proof' but the missing William baptised Nov 1827 may be the one buried 16 Sep 1833 aged 7, although he is named in the burial register as the son of Joseph & Elizabeth Langton, Metcalf Street

A Joseph & Elizabeth Langton of Metcalf Street baptised a son Joseph on 4 Dec 1839, and the only matching birth has the MMN Peters.

William LANGTON baptised 1827 of Joseph & Mary LANGTON, FWK, Jury Wall , was baptised at St Nicholas, Leicester.

And I think you absolutely right, that he is very likely the one buried 1833 at St Mary de Castro, Leicester, marked as son of Joseph and 2nd wife Elizabeth.

I noted, the long period of time between Joseph LANGTON & Elizabeth PETER's marriage 1831 to the baptism of son Joseph 1839. And find this:

BAPTISM:Maria LANGTON, baptised St Nicholas, Leicester on 25 June 1832
daughter of: Joseph & Betsy LANGTON, FWK, Bath Lane

Obviously, this isn't the same daughter Maria LANGTON  in 1841 Census age 4, 1851 Census age 14, 1854 marriage age 17, the dau Joseph & Elizabeth (whose birth baptism I can't find, probably around start of Civil registration).

BUT:   I think the Maria baptised 1832 is an earlier born daughter with same name, and like William of 1827-1833, was baptised St Nicholas and  died young, buried St Mary de Castro:

BURIAL: Maria LANGTON age 2, Medcalfe Street, buried St Mary de Castro  on 7 Sept 1834.

Does go some way towards proving that Joseph LANGTON /Mary and Joseph LANGTON/Elizabeth PETERS is the same man...., i think?

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

And there's more:

Referring to:
https://tinyurl.com/yb7juaxk
Lists of Streets Names and Courts in Leicester, etc. with reference to their respective localities:

William baptised 1827, Joseph and Mary, Jury Wall, St Nicholas - this is actually "Jewry Wall"
Maria baptised 1832, Joseph and Betsy, Bath Lane, St Nicholas

The List says:
Bath Lane, Jewrywall Street

Ta dah!

I think that probably proves beyond reasonable doubt, these 2 children died young at Metcalfe Street:  Mary 1834 age 2 and William 1833 age 7 and your Joseph is the father of them both, one by each of his 2 wives.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Also interesting to note, re the baptisms address' of the other issue of Joseph & Mary:

Eliza: Baptism 1815 Bonner's Yard.
Ann: Baptism 1817: Redcross Street
List says: Bonner's Yard, 60 Red Cross Street

John: Baptisms 1820: Chamberlain Court
Elizabeth: Baptism 1823: Chamberlain Court
List says: Chamberlain Court, Bakehouse Lane
List says: Bakehouse Lane, Southgate Street

Cheers
AMBLY

[Annie65115]

Hi, ambly.

The Cooper surname is in a totally different part of my tree so I think that will just be coincidence.

The son I couldn't ID in 1841 was Edward - but of course I'd forgotten that relationships aren't stated on the 1841 so he could have been a nephew etc. Rather than a son.

Thanks for your help!

[AMBLY]

Hi, ambly.
The Cooper surname is in a totally different part of my tree so I think that will just be coincidence.

Whilst your COOPER line is different, sadly, it's perhaps more unlikely than not though, that Elizabeth COOPER is not somehow related to the LANGTONS.  It could be thru Elizabeth Peters, Joseph, or it could be an ex-mother-in-law even.  For what it's worth, in case it's ever needed:

Between 1840 and 1852, there are two possible deaths for Elizabeth COOPER, 1843 and 1844:

Elizabeth COOPER, widow, age 73, Watling Street
Burial 21 January 1843, St Margaret's Leicester
Registered MAR Qtr 1843, Leicester

Elizabeth COOPER, widow, age 75, Metcalf Street.
Burial 7 August 1844, St Margaret's Leicester
Registered SEP Qtr 1844, Leicester

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

The son I couldn't ID in 1841 was Edward - but of course I'd forgotten that relationships aren't stated on the 1841 so he could have been a nephew etc. Rather than a son.

That's true.

But, I'm more keen to know.  ......what do you think of the proof at Reply#19 - as I see it likely to be -  that Joseph & Mary and Joseph & Elizabeth, it the same Joseph?

Cheers
AMBLY

[Annie65115]

Hi again

I agree, it all points towards this being the same family and it's great to hear those bricks come tumbling down!

The 1851 census in particular has been handy as it gives Joseph's POB as Wigston Magna. I can't find a baptism for him there online (as per my other thread) but I can do other searches now I know where I need to look