Joseph Richardson

[jonw65]

They both died in Wakefield, Nelson, NZ.

For our info,
Joseph Richardson died 29 July 1864, age 74.
Mary Richardson died 15 August 1879, age 87.

Hope this is correct. Any age for Margaret from the records?
John

[jonw65]

We can see from those burial registers that the three girls were all buried in grave number 1575

So that also ties Ann in with the other two, and seemingly with it the Little maiden name for mother Mary for Margaret Ann.

In 1841 ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest five years for those aged 15 and over.  But not under 15. However, misunderstandings and errors happen. Perhaps in 1841 that possible Margaret also had her age rounded down a bit!
It would appear likely that she was born in Liverpool, certainly the whether born in county info cannot always be relied on.

[GwynethWatson]

Many thanks for all my replies.  Jonw65 has hit the jackpot, the marriage in the Liverpool Mercury 1853 goes a long way to knocking over my brick wall of many years and you didn't know it is my birthday today.  At least it connects Margaret Ann Richardson to the area.  Why would you send that ad back to Liverpool if you didn't have family/friends there. However by the time that ad was printed Margaret was no longer with George.  A brief explanation - Joshua Bird arrived from Cumberland on the 'Sultana' in Adelaide July 1850 and stayed at the Cumberland Arms.  Obviously had some sort of relationship with Margaret, but off to the Bendigo, Vic goldfields he goes, twice.  I have a letter he wrote to Margaret dated 18 July 1852 hoping to be the 'one' when he gets back, but not until they have found gold as he is not liking it as much this time. (Mail took a long time to get to the goldfields and Joshua had a 12 hour round trip, walking to pick up mail and he complains he hasn't heard from her for awhile).  In that letter he refers to Margaret's cousin Mary, Mary Hall was Margaret's witness at the wedding.  Mary Halls' father owned/managed the Cumberland Arms so obviously how they met.  Anyway gold he found (it was shipped back to Adelaide under escort) and off he went back to Adelaide to find Margaret married to George Cole (my assumption).  Next I have Mr & Mrs J Bird arriving Nelson, NZ 26 February 1853 and their daughter Lucy was born 23 May 1853.  I have often wondered if it was George's daughter.  Joshua/Margaret my G-Grandparents.  Dates are tight but not impossible. He purchased land in Nelson for 250 pounds sterling so a good find.  Joseph/Mary Richardson arrived Nelson 27 Dec 1853.  Margaret Bird (Richardson) died Wakefield, Nelson 25 March 1893 aged 62yrs so born C1833 taking her secrets to the grave.

So back to the Liverpool records for a good look I go (did so some years back). I need to find the maiden name of Mary Richardson to clinch it, a record of marriage would really be the icing on the cake and make my day.

Thanks again to everybody,
Cheers Gwyneth
Moss Vale, NSW

[GwynethWatson]

Sorry, forgot to ask where I can find the marriage of Margaret/George in the Liverpool Mercury please?
Gwyneth

[jonw65]

Hi Gwyneth
What a fascinating story! And welcome to Rootschat!
The Liverpool Mercury notice will be in the newspapers on findmypast, you can also see it on the British Newspaper Archive (where you get three free page views if you just register)
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

I do think that the baptism of Ann at George Street Chapel, Liverpool (where mother's maiden names are given) looks to be connected.

It's always possible that Mary was a widow when she married Joseph Richardson. But anyway I'm not sure that the Cumberland records on FamilySearch are comprehensive, and possibly there's not much elsewhere.
John

[GwynethWatson]

Hello again,  Firstly a correction to my last post - Joseph, Mary, Sarah & Margaret Richardson arrived in Adelaide, Sth Aust. on the Lord Ashburton, Captain Forrest from Liverpool 29 Jan 1850, not the Sir Alan McNab.

I have been looking into the children Mary bap. 24 April 1829, may have died 1847 aged 18yrs. (She and Margaret on the 1841 census), Ann, Sarah, Margaret and Jane.  Ann Sarah & Jane all died as infants.  Though a Sarah arrived Adelaide.  I think I have found 2 more.  Hannah Bap 12 Oct 1837, St Peter, Liverpool and Edward Bap 27 Feb 1843, St Peter, Liverpool.  Both these say of Gilbert St? Joseph as a Miller? for Hannah and Porter for Edward on the B/Ts.  Joseph was listed variously as a labourer/bricklayer/porter in the other children's baptisms.

What do you think?  Is Gilbert Street, Miller right, it's hard to read.  They seem to have moved around a lot.

Cheers Gwyneth

[GwynethWatson]

Hello, me again,

The "Lord Ashburton", Capt. Forrest left Liverpool 29 Jan 1850 and Cape of Good Hope 24 Apr 1850 and arrived Adelaide, Sth Aust. June 1850.  I have 2 sets of passenger lists, one listing steerage passengers.  I am wondering if the original passenger list would exist in the Liverpool area please?  I am still chasing my Richardsons.  On one list is a Elizabeth Richardson, however not sure where she boarded, left the ship Port Phillip Bay.  The wedding notified in the Liverpool Mercury Feb 1853 states Margaret to the youngest daughter of Joseph.  Sarah Richardson is another person on the ship of interest.  Any mention of Mary Richardson (Little) connected to births/baptisms in the area would be a huge boost.

Many Thanks Gwyneth, Moss Vale, NSW

[wivenhoe]

Looking at an Ancestry tree, children born to Margaret RICHARDSON and Joshua BIRD  in New Zealand have second given names .....BAYLIFF...ROSCOE....ARMSTRONG....GIBSON.

These would likely be family names of ancestors.......of BIRD? ...or RICHARDSON / LITTLE?.

Using OPC Lancashire 
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Marriage: 24 Oct 1813 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Roger ROSCOE,   Warehouseman, Bachelor, Chorley
Margaret ROSE ,  Spinster, Chorley
Witness: Ann RICHARDSON; Joseph RICHARDSON

This is given as an example. Try the  several relevant names. ARMSTRONG and GIBSON are rather ordinary but ROSCOE and BAYLIFF are useful.
   

[GwynethWatson]

Many thanks for your reply.  I knew those names must have a significance, but thought they were perhaps the Bird line.  I have found hits for all 4, however one stands out. A marriage of Abraham Armstrong & Elizabeth Richardson M 23 Jan 1850, St Peter, Liverpool, bride's father - Joseph Richardson, Labourer and witness Margaret Ann Richardson.  I believe the Richardson's of St Peter to be my family and Joseph is listed there as a labourer.  Interestingly the Lord Ashburton left Liverpool on 29 Jan 1850.  Still no Sarah, she is elusive.

Where would I find a map showing the various parishes please?  The other parishes may be close by, I don't know the area.

Thanks again and cheers from a cold and miserable day in Moss Vale, NSW
Gwyneth