Stack/Molony family locations in Ballybunion/Listowel

[what0101]

So my Stack family (Philip Stack and Mary Molony) had 8 children between 1839 and 1860 in Ballybunion. On the marriage the father is listed as being from 'Knuckenore' which I assume is Knockanure. The locations given in Ballybunion on the baptism records are:

1839 Derrenavack
1842 Dirrenavack
1844 Coolkeragh
1847 Coolkeragh
1848 Dirrenavack
1850 Tullamore
1857 Derrenavak
1860 Gale

It appears they moved frequently, would that be normal at that time? Or would the locations possibly be describing the same place?

I am also not sure where Derrenavak is. Can anyone enlighten me?

I'm new to researching Irish records and I'm finding it quite difficult to figure out who is who because they don't seem to have a lot of information on them. With my family apparently changing addresses every few years, it makes it even harder to narrow down which Philip Stack is *my* Philip Stack. Any tips would be appreciated!

[heywood]

Griffiths Valuation shows Philip Stack Snr and Jnr in Coolkeragh, Galey Parish
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/kerry/galey.htm

Galey Parish townlands
https://www.townlands.ie/kerry/galey/

You can see Coolkeragh and Tullamore. There is also Knockenagh North and South. I wonder if Knuckenore is Knuckenagh?

I can only see the baptism of William 11 May 1848 which gives a residence of ‘Dirrenavack’ - difficult to read. The others don’t show in the indexes.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634243#page/139/mode/1up

[heywood]

I have just found Patrick in 1839 - still not sure re place
11th December 1839
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634243#page/63/mode/1up

[what0101]

The family members that I know of:

Philip Stack, from 'Knuckenore', married Mary Molony on Nov 4 1836 in Ballybunion, Kerry. Witnesses Patrick Molony and Timothy Molony.

Their children:
Patrick Stack, 11 Dec 1839, Derrenavack
James Stack, 17 Apr 1842, Dirrenavack
Catherine Stack, 24 Apr 1844, Coolkeragh
Bridget Stack 1 Feb 1847, Coolkeragh
William Stack, 13 May 1848, Dirrenavack
John Stack, 25 Jun 1850, Tullamore
Honora Stack, 1 Nov 1857, Derrenavak
Philip Stack 1 Aug 1860, Gale

I got the above from irishgenealogy.ie.

I know that both Honora and Philip had emigrated to the US (Pittsburgh, PA) around 1880. Philip's naturalization document says he left from Queenstown and arrived in New York on June 20, 1881, but I haven't found the passenger manifest yet. So I am not sure when the valuation that you mentioned is from, but if it's after 1880 I don't think Philip Jr. was there. There were several Philip Stacks in the neighborhood and I am having a really difficult time sorting them out.

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 Baptism of PATRICK STACK of DERRENAVACK
on 11 December 1839
Parish/Church/Congregation - BALLYBUNION
Area - KERRY (RC)

churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ndo/


 

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https://www.johngrenham.com/places/civil_in_rc.php?churchid=0651&county=&church_name=Ballybunion

[heywood]

Griffiths Valuation was approximately 1850s.
You can read more about it here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ndp/

Looking at your names, it might be that Philip jr in GV is the father of those children.

[what0101]

I just don't know how to figure out if it was the right Philip Stack in the valuation papers because there was more than one Philip Stack around the same age in the same place. I know there was *my* Philip Stack who was married to Mary Molony for the first time in 1836, so probably born between 1806 and 1818. I know there was another Philip Stack living in the same places in Ballybunion who was married to Johanna Tenant.

I've found two death records for widowers named Philip Stacks the right age in Coolkeragh. One was born about 1812 and has a son named William, which mine does, so that might be the right one. The other one, born about 1811, died in 1903 a home.

I found this document, which seems to be a handwritten version of what you posted above, and one of the Philip Stacks has (Maurice) written, which I think is a patronymic. The Philip Stack who is married to Johanna Tenant had a son named Maurice, so that may indicate that the listings in the valuations books are of the other Philip Stack, rather than the one I am looking for.

[hallmark]

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246742_00664.pdf