Stuck researching Mary Owen of Trefriw

[WanderingWelshNomad]

Bore da folks!
I'm new here, and hoping someone with local knowledge of Trefriw can help me
I know my great grandmother Elizabeth Mary Owen was born in 1886 in Trefriw and married Thomas Roberts of Efenechtyd in 1909. Her address at the time of her marriage was "Tai Isaf, Tal-y-bont, Caerhun" her father's name was not given on her marriage cert (possibly illegitimate).
Her mother must have stayed in Tal-y-bont because the children called her Nain Tal-y-bont.
Somebody was able to access a baptismal record they believe was Elizabeth Mary's, giving her baptism as being 7/5/1886 daughter of Mary Owen (no father named) address Ty Ucha, Trefriw.
I actually have a picture of Mary! And I would love to know more about her.
If anyone can help I would be so grateful
Diolch yn fawr
Sarah

[ciderdrinker]

Bore da to you too.
God this is tough one ,but...
I think I have them in 1891 all together and in 1901 Elizabeth Mary Owen is a servant as you know.
1891 Caerhun Neuddengar
Mary Owens single 28   Caerhun
Elizabeth M 5 daughter   Caerhun
Elizabeth Owens mother widow 70

It's 4671 folio 45 page 5

Wernddengae, Caerhun Penfro, Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales

on the transcription

I'll see what else I can find.

Ciderdrinker

1901 Wernddengae, Caerhun Penfro, Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Mary E Owen single 36 charwoman Capel Carig?/Curig?
William Williams 67 boarder widower pauper Wern

1881 Brynrodyn, Trefriw (Carnarvon), Llanrwst, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Mary Owen 17 dom servant Caerhun
To Evan and Annie Davies.

[ciderdrinker]

Hello me again Ciderdrinker

I've got the family a little earlier
1881 Dol-LLach  LLanllechid
William Thomas unmarr 48 farmer 150 acres L
William Williams servant 55 Bettwys Coed
Margaret Williams sister servant 55 LLanllechid
Ann Jones 17 servant ditto
Elizabeth Owen widow 59 visitor laundress Trefiew



1871 census Gelli Capel Curig
William Owen 63 lab LLanllechid
Elizabeth wife 49 Llanrhychwyn
Margaret 13 Llanllechid
Mary 7 Deurhrochwyn

1861 Gelli LLandegai
William 53 lab
Elizabeth 38
Margaret2

1851 Fatty? Llandegai
William Owen 42 farm lab Llanechid
Elizabeth 27 LLanrhychwyn

Possible burial for husband William Owen LLanllechild 5.7.1876 no age given

They married at the chapel in Capel Currig  LLandegai

22 Nov 1850
William Owen batch full lab Fatty Newydd  s of Rhys Owen lab
Elizabeth Evans spinster full Ffrith nchaf  d of Richard Evans farmer

wit William Owen and William Pierce.

Elizabeth was baptised at the Congregational chapel   LLanwrst  16.8.1821
Elizabeth d of Richard Evans and Margaret Williams his wife of FFrithyshaf parish of LLanrhwin?

1841 fatty Hen LLanrhychwyn
Richard Evans farmer 55 y
Margaret 50 y
Margaret 20
Elizabeth 15
Jane 15
Ellis 13
Grace Williams 10 y

In 1851 there is an extra daughter Hannah age 9
I can't spot William Owen's birth/baptism .
Sorry but that's all I have.

Ciderdrinker

[WanderingWelshNomad]

Hello me again Ciderdrinker

I've got the family a little earlier
1881 Dol-LLach  LLanllechid
William Thomas unmarr 48 farmer 150 acres L
William Williams servant 55 Bettwys Coed
Margaret Williams sister servant 55 LLanllechid
Ann Jones 17 servant ditto
Elizabeth Owen widow 59 visitor laundress Trefiew



1871 census Gelli Capel Curig
William Owen 63 lab LLanllechid
Elizabeth wife 49 Llanrhychwyn
Margaret 13 Llanllechid
Mary 7 Deurhrochwyn

1861 Gelli LLandegai
William 53 lab
Elizabeth 38
Margaret2

1851 Fatty? Llandegai
William Owen 42 farm lab Llanechid
Elizabeth 27 LLanrhychwyn

Possible burial for husband William Owen LLanllechild 5.7.1876 no age given

They married at the chapel in Capel Currig  LLandegai

22 Nov 1850
William Owen batch full lab Fatty Newydd  s of Rhys Owen lab
Elizabeth Evans spinster full Ffrith nchaf  d of Richard Evans farmer

wit William Owen and William Pierce.

Elizabeth was baptised at the Congregational chapel   LLanwrst  16.8.1821
Elizabeth d of Richard Evans and Margaret Williams his wife of FFrithyshaf parish of LLanrhwin?

1841 fatty Hen LLanrhychwyn
Richard Evans farmer 55 y
Margaret 50 y
Margaret 20
Elizabeth 15
Jane 15
Ellis 13
Grace Williams 10 y

In 1851 there is an extra daughter Hannah age 9
I can't spot William Owen's birth/baptism .
Sorry but that's all I have.

Ciderdrinker

Hello ciderdrinker, and thank you!
You put some serious thought and time into that reply.
I had spotted that 1891 census before myself and wasn't convinced it was them. I know mistakes can be made by the census-takers but I thought that listing the surname as Owens instead of Owen was a big one. I'm sure in those rural areas they would have been quite particular about which surname (There are Clarks in my family who get very agitated about being given an "e" at the end of their name  ) Also they gave the place of birth for little Elizabeth Mary as Caerhun, when in fact my Elizabeth Mary was most definitely born in Trefriw.

I agree with you about the interesting census entry for 1881. I think that the 17 year old Mary Owen who was servant to the Calvinistic minister Evan Davies may well be my great great grandmother. It seems he stayed in Trefriw until his death. But Mary had her illegitimate daughter 5 years later.

I might see if I can find Evan Davies in 1891 to make sure that Mary is not still with him.

Thank you again for your time and effort!
S 

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I'd read the name of the abode in 1891 as Wernddeugau - which makes sense in Welsh, unlike to suggestion above (literally two fields marsh)

This link shows the location
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/bbc4b0eb-2f1e-4c73-bb49-48fb759cd7f8