Unable to read most of the info in this death cert

[Rosinish]

I was beginning to have doubts about 'fraternal uncle' too - for a start, what does it actually mean? 'Fraternal' would mean something to do with a brother (Latin - frater), whereas an uncle is connected through a father (paternal) or mother (maternal).

Actually arthur, maybe there's something in the term 'Fraternal Uncle' (on the cert.) & worth noting for future?

Could it be his words were meaning he was the brother of Margaret Mitchell M.S. Samuel to emphasise his relationship?

I think that may make sense (now we have worked it out)   

Best I could do to enhance & the more I look at it, it does look like 'Fraternal'...used in the wrong context (to us) & my input was from noting the mothers' ms was Samuel.

Annie

Add...Just read Gadgets post (while posting)...one reason we need to make sure we read/see what is asked/written & not see words which don't exist in either 

[Gadget]

It could be that she was upset or that it was seen as something that men did rather than women.

I seem to remember when I was young, the men of the family always seemed to do that.  In some cases women didn't go to the funerals either. My maternal grandfather's funeral in 1925 was only attended by men and  soldiers from the regiment in which he served.

Gadget

[Rosinish]

Just makes me wonder why the mother was not the informant

I love it when someone else, a relation, is the 'informant' as it helps to gather more leaves but to answer your question, it wasn't/isn't compulsory for a parent/relation to register a death & not forgetting the grief, I think it's a good thing when someone else is given the role of 'informant' if it's a relation.

Annie

[ryan37]

Very interesting thanks for the input this has been a very interesting topic

Thank you all for contributing

Also I agree it’s what we hope for another name or relationship mentioned gives us detail that can help us imagine the circumstances better


Ryan

[Gadget]

Annie

If you read polarbear's posting, I think it was agreed that it was Maternal not Fraternal

I'll put the link up here Add- link:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=808453.msg6678577#msg6678577


Gadget

[majm]

Perhaps Mum was in deep mourning, unable to leave her home,  so Andrew organised the funeral and attended to the paperwork. 

I am in NSW Australia and from my knowledge of how families here in NSW handled deaths in the late 1800s may I suggest that the menfolk here handled all contact and the womenfolk were not even allowed at the graveside for the burial service.

I see nothing odd in the uncle of the deceased being the informant,  and not residing at the same usual abode of the deceased, however I am not familiar with Scottish funeral procedures from that era.

JM

[Rosinish]

If you read polarbear's posting, I think it was agreed that it was Maternal not Fraternal

Yes Gadget, & I agreed based on the surname of the mother but for others doing research, I thought a bit of lateral thinking (still unsure of the writing/scrawl) would benefit others as it's not the 1st time a relationship has been entered different to what it actually was.

I agree with Polarbear on 'Maternal' although I'm struggling to read the lettering but...

Based on the fact William's mother is Margaret Mitchell M.S. Samuel, I think would compromise for 'Maternal'

If you enter this in the search box (without quotes), you will note what I was trying to say...

"turns out to be a cousin of my Grandfather, not a niece"

I think it's worth noting possibles but I do believe ours does say 'Maternal' but very difficult to see (which I can't) without all the input from everyone as well as the address which I still can't read but you did the work on checking the census to clarify it.

Annie

[arthurk]

I thought Gadget's reply #28 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=808453.msg6679586#msg6679586) was helpful as it showed the following two entries with Father and Mother as informants, in the same handwriting.

From these it was apparent that the first letter of ours was very similar to the 'M' of Mother, and quite different from the 'F' of Father. Based on that, ours is more likely to be Maternal than Fraternal.

[Linda RAIOLA]

Hi,  the more research you do,  the more bizarre issues you encounter ....  sometimes we have to be very creative thinkers but sometimes simple is best .  I  believe that the M.S. merely means Maiden surname ....  which is Samuels. 
cheers,  Linda