Torval Johanssen

[TreeSpirit]

Sorry, logic is my strength, old writing not so much ... I can recognise the family members, dates and Africa, but the rest could be Chinese :-)

BTW I was checking the links between Torvald and this Norwegian family and was having another look at the baptisms of Torvalds children. I realised that an Alfred Kellen was a regular witness, but Alfred Ernest Charles Kellen (d 1940 in AU) doesn’t marry Torvald’s sister Dora until 1908 in AU. However it appears that Dora and Alfred had a son baptised on the same day as Torvald in 1901 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GTWW-11L?i=314&cc=1468076 ) ... and they are all living at the same address!!!
Note the child is Alfred at his baptism, but seems to be Arthur when he dies in 1964 in AU (and als in his dad’s 1940 death notice).

[Karytay]

I have been trying to figure out this baptism story as well. Did they all come back to South Africa just to be witnesses to Torval's childern's baptisms.

It looks like Alfred Kellen and James Hartshorn were witnesses to Torval's daughter Hester Anette/ Annita in 1902.

This is why I have had a hard time finding the family. Their names are for ever changing. Toval's son James thought his name was Alfred James Johansen, he signed an affidavit to change his name on his marriage certificate to the way it was written on his baptism namely James Johanssen. - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSK6-Q37P-D?i=816&cat=539100

[TreeSpirit]

As various BDM events took place in Australia in 1908/9, I assume that they didn't go to Australia until just before these events. I haven't been able to find their arrival into Australia so I can't confirm this. Only Anna's 1920 arrival has turned up (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVT-1SNS-5?i=127&cc=2778600).

PS I'm not sure whether you are interested in the 1875 census, but Soren and Anette were living with Anette's parents:

1875 Norwegian census
Residence: Klokkerstuen Ryggeeiet, Rygge, Østfold, Norway
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Relation to head - Name - Age - Birth place - Occupation
Head - Andreas Nielsen - 50 - Rygge - Husmand Og Arbeidsformand
Wife - Johanne Christofersd - 45 - Rygge
Son in Law - Søren Johannesen - 30 - Vaaler - Tjener Hos Svigerfaderen
Daughter - Annethe Andreasd - 21 - Rygge - Gift Med S Johannesen
Grandson - Johan Sørensen - 1 - Rygge
Son - Nicolai Andreasen - 14 - Rygge
Son - Christian Andreasen - 10 - Rygge
Son - Martinius Andreasen - 7 - Rygge
Son - Thorvald Andreasen - 5 - Rygge

This gives us Søren's birth around 1844/5. I'd read some where that he'd died in SA in 1896, but haven't found any proof. However, a 92y old Soren Johansen dies in VIC AU in 1936 i.e. birth abt 1843/4, so you can understand that I am wondering what the actual truth is …

[TreeSpirit]

I think that Joh(a)n Alfred was in the British South Africa Poice during the Boer War (https://www.angloboerwar.com/?option=com_content&view=article&id=304 ). It seems that he left his job abt 1906 and this fits my suspicion that they would have left around 1907.

DEPOT     TAB                                                                   
SOURCE    SAC                                                                   
TYPE      LEER                                                                 
VOLUME_NO 114                                                                   
SYSTEM    01                                                                   
REFERENCE H2835                                                                 
PART      1                                                                     
DESCRIPTION          RECORD OF CONDUCT AND SERVICE OF JOHN ALFRED JOHANSSEN. DISCHARGE PERMITTED TO PURCHASE.                                               
STARTING  19060129                                                             
ENDING    19060227 

[Karytay]

Thanks for the census TreeSpirit  my cousin 2or3 times removed will be happy about the info. It was her father that was doing their tree till he died. My first cousin he is the one that I started this research for, so any info is most welcome.

The family surname changes from Johansen to Johanssen also Johanneson, Johannessen. I have found docs under all of these variations.

[Karytay]

"This gives us Søren's birth around 1844/5. I'd read some where that he'd died in SA in 1896, but haven't found any proof. However, a 92y old Soren Johansen dies in VIC AU in 1936 i.e. birth abt 1843/4, so you can understand that I am wondering what the actual truth is … "

If this is Soren then Anette must of divoced him to marry Hartshorn in 1909. But I have a death 24 Aug 1936 for Anette in Melbourne. Did Soren die the same year?

As for Soren I have his birth as 14 Mar 1846 Veasfol, Norway and his parent as Johan Svendson b. 1820 Ostfold and Marie Torersdatter b. 1825 Ostfold

[TreeSpirit]

What I was saying is that you can't rule out the Soren d 1936 in Aus until you have found definite proof that the correct Soren died in 1896 SA.

BTW where does "Veasfol" come from? All the documents seem to mention Vaaler ...
1873 marriage: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060928040611.jpg
1846 baptism: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060315020946.jpg

[Karytay]

Probable a mistake  in the interpretation. Do not remember were I got the info from, some other tree I think.

TreeSpirit, can you explain how to use the Norway digital archives, please. Tried to look at the parish records but could not get to see the accrual documents.

It sounds like you have achieved this feet

For one thing the language as me beat!

[TreeSpirit]

Google Translate tends to be my best friend when looking at foreign languages. However, in this case the Norwegian archives supply a very satisfactory English version themselves!

Direct link to parish records: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb/browse
Select “Østfold” In County drop down box (this is optional, but it narrows down the next step)
Select “Rygge” and/or “Vaaler” in Parish drop down box
Narrow down the “year to year” timeline eg 1873 to 1876
“Search”

The result should be links to whole parish books, but if you have a good look at these entries you’ll be able to see some “initials” listed. Go over them with the mouse and it will explain what they are (in English!). e.g. when you click on”vi” it will take you to the section (filter) for marriages in that book.
Note: You can also click on "Content" and this will list those same events (filters), but it will also let you go directly to a specific year within that event.