Mary Simpkins b abt 1807 Brewood

[emjsw]

Hello,

I wondered whether anyone could possibly look up a wedding for me please to find out whether Mary's father is listed please?

4th May 1828 Wolverhampton to George Whittingham.

Her birth age in the census gives her a birth Yr of 1811 but that would have made her 17 when she got married. In 1841 George and Mary are in Brewood and all of their children are born in Brewood. George is from Lapley/Brewood.

There is a Mary Simpkins born 1811 christened at Brierley Hill (42 min drive from Brewood but birth Yr fits with census). Parents William and Mary. This couple fit with other people's family trees on ancestry but many of them have just copied the tree with no sources.

The other christening of a Mary Simpson is 1807 Brewood (giving an age of 21 for marriage and the location fits). Parents are Samuel and Mary. They have John in 1817,Elizabeth 1811 and Thomas 1814. I am not sure about them though as there are no local Samuel births for c1780 on ancestry and no local marriages for Samuel Simpkins to  Mary X.

If anyone could help that would be great.

Best wishes Emma

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Don't forget ages were rounded down on the 1841 census

This I guess is her death, making year of birth c1809

WHITTINGHAM, MARY        
Age 36 
Q2 1845 PENKRIDGE  Volume 17  Page 83

Of the children on 1841 only two are younger enough to be on te GRO register and I can only find one at present.

Mary - 1839. mmn SIMPKISS

George has another son with him on 1851 - John, His mother's maiden name is Simkins

Mary b 1839 is with her grandparents James and Mary Purchase. They have a Simkin child with them in 1841.  Not much help narrowing down as both of your options have mother Mary!

[Mabel Bagshawe]

John Simkins, b Brewood c1835 is with the Purchases on 1841. He appears to be the son of Elizabeth Simkins (no father given on baptism).

There's an Elizabeth Simpkins baptised in Brewood in 1811, daughter of Samuel and Mary. This would fit with your 1807 possibility, if the surname is mistranscribed  [added - she's Mary Simpkins not Simpson on my source]

[emjsw]

Hi Mabel,

Thank you so much for your help. I guess this means that my Mary Simpkins b 1807/9 was either a Purchase, married a Simpkins who died and then married George Whittingham as a widow (which I guess might be on their marriage entry). Or Mary's mother married a Simpkins, had Mary and her siblings, then her husband died and she married James Purchase.
My direct ancestor is Mary's daughter Frances b 1840 but she doesn't seem to have been registered so I can't order her birth certificate which could have given some clues.
I guess John b 1851 mdn Simpkins means Mary dies around 1850/1 rather than 1845. It is all quite confusing!!
Thanks again for your help.
Best wishes
Emma

[Mabel Bagshawe]

..Or Mary's mother married a Simpkins, had Mary and her siblings, then her husband died and she married James Purchase.

given Mary and James Purchase are husband and wife in 1851 I;d suspect this to be the situation

I guess John b 1851 mdn Simpkins means Mary dies around 1850/1 rather than 1845. It is all quite confusing!!

Apologies if I wasn;t clear. On the 1851 census, George Whittingham has a son John b c1843, so the potential death in 1845 still works

[emjsw]

..Or Mary's mother married a Simpkins, had Mary and her siblings, then her husband died and she married James Purchase.

given Mary and James Purchase are husband and wife in 1851 I;d suspect this to be the situation

Thank you, I have been looking for a marriage for James purchase and Mary, no luck yet but a really useful lead. If I can find which Mary (Samuel's or William's) later married a purchase I can determine which set of parents it is.

I guess John b 1851 mdn Simpkins means Mary dies around 1850/1 rather than 1845. It is all quite confusing!!

Apologies if I wasn;t clear. On the 1851 census, George Whittingham has a son John b c1843, so the potential death in 1845 still works

You explanations were great, I think I miss read them!
Thanks very much for your help

[Willow 4873]

4.5.1828 St Peters Wolverhampton George Whittingham bachelor to Mary Simkins spinster witnesses Mary Purchiss and John Biddulph (hes one of the church clerks and appears on a lot of marriages)

Don't know if this is relevant

4.3.1827 St Marys, Bushbury James Purchase bachelor to Mary Austin widow

Willow x

[emjsw]

4.5.1828 St Peters Wolverhampton George Whittingham bachelor to Mary Simkins spinster witnesses Mary Purchiss and John Biddulph (hes one of the church clerks and appears on a lot of marriages)

Don't know if this is relevant

4.3.1827 St Marys, Bushbury James Purchase bachelor to Mary Austin widow

Willow x

Hi Willow,

Thanks ever so much for looking that up, it is good to know that Mary didn't marry George as a widow as that cuts out a one off the possibilities I was investing which makes life easier.
Interesting that Mary Purchiss was a witness, this could be her mum.
Thanks also for the James Purchase and Mary Austin connection.
If Samuel Simpkins died leaving Mary his wife and Mary Simpkins his daughter who later married George Whittingham behind then perhaps his wife Mary married and Austin who also died leaving her to marry James. I need to find a Mary Simpkins widow marring an xx Austin.
I am still trying to determine whether Mary who married George was daughter of William and Mary or Samuel and Mary. The latter fits best with dates and location, but who knows!!!
Thanks for your help

[emjsw]

In fact, I think I have found it and wondered if I could ask another favour please?
The record I found didn't say whether she was a widow and I couldn't find this on Free reg but please could singer one see whether Mary was a widow?
I am so sorry to keep asking.

Name:   Mary Simkins
Event Type:   Marriage Banns
Event Date:   30 Jan 1825
Event Place:   Brewood, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place:   Brewood, Staffordshire, England
Parish:   SS Mary & Chad
Residence Place:   Brewood
Spouse's Name:   William Austin
Spouse's Residence Place:   Brewood
Affiliate Image Identifier:   D4014/1/12

Name:   Mary Simkins
Event Type:   Marriage
Event Date:   19 May 1825
Event Place:   Brewood, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place:   Brewood, Staffordshire, England
Parish:   SS Mary & Chad
Residence Place:   Brewood
Spouse's Name:   William Austin
Spouse's Residence Place:   Brewood
Affiliate Image Identifier:   D4014/1/10