Osman & Liddell family research (MONTROSE)

[kjmck]

Evening all,

I am hoping for a little help here.

My 4x Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Fleming nee Ossman (spelling varies), she died 16th March 1877 at 305 High Street, Blackfriars Glasgow, widow of John Fleming, a general Carter. The informant is her daughter, my 3x Great Grandmother, Mary McCormick. Elizabeth's parents are listed as William Ossman (Chelsea Pensioner) & Margaret Liddell.

Searching marriage records for Ossman & Liddell I found a marriage for a Robert Osman & Margaret Liddle on 19th May 1805 at Montrose. It reads - 'Sergt. Robert Osman of the 8th Regt. of Foot & Margaret Liddle of this Parish were proclaimed in Order to Marriage & no objections offered'.

I have been unable to locate a birth for my 4x Great Grandmother, Elizabeth Osman, though she was born roughly 1808. I have found 3 other children - David 1807, Mary 1813, & Jean 1816. I have found from another family tree source that Mary was born at 'Field of Waterloo, Belgium'. CORRECTION - it is on Mary's Death record in 1855 that her birth place is listed as this.

I have been unable to go further back, reliably, with either the Osman or Liddell families. Neither have I been able to find a marriage for John Fleming & Elizabeth Osman, nor any birth registrations for any of their children, though I know they had another daughter called Agnes.

Would also be cool to find out what Robert Osman was doing in the military.

It's all becoming very frustrating, and if anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Keelan

[Rosinish]

"My 4x Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Fleming nee Ossman (spelling varies), she died 16th March 1877 at 305 High Street, Blackfriars Glasgow, widow of John Fleming, a general Carter. The informant is her daughter, my 3x Great Grandmother, Mary McCormick. Elizabeth's parents are listed as William Ossman (Chelsea Pensioner) & Margaret Liddell.

I have been unable to locate a birth for my 4x Great Grandmother, Elizabeth Osman, though she was born roughly 1808".

Short reply as I was getting confused with all the info. jumping from one to another (sorry) 

Where do census records give for Elizabeth's place of birth?
What is her age on each census & death (for a window) of her birth yr?
Are they consistent?

Annie

[kjmck]

Hi Annie,

Sorry, I really do need to write more coherently.

1861 -
birth year -  c. 1806
Birth place - Montrose, Forfarsh.

1871 -
Birth year - c. 1808
Birth place - Montford, Forfar

Death record -
6th March 1877, age given as 60. Possible birth year as 1816/1817. So her supposed age at death wouldn’t fit with the census info.

I have a record for the Fleming family in 1851, gives John Fleming as the head, Carter as his occupation, info which all fits. The info for his wife who SHOULD be Elizabeth fits too - birth year of about 1807 in Montrose BUT her name is transcribed as Mary. 

Keelan

[Rosinish]

Sorry to be a pest...

What is Elizabeth's age 1841?

Have you found Elizabeth & John Flemming together & what's his age on those?

When/where were their children born?
Does the info. on their kids marriages tally i.e. parents names & fathers' occ?
Could Mary be the 'real' mother but died when kids were young i.e. thought Elizabeth to be their mother?

Annie

[Rosinish]

"Elizabeth Fleming nee Ossman died 16th March 1877 at 305 High Street, Blackfriars Glasgow, widow of John Fleming, a general Carter. The informant is her daughter, my 3x Great Grandmother, Mary McCormick"

Where/when was Mary born, do you have her baptism?

Annie

[kjmck]

Not being a pest at all!

So 1841, I only have one possible census return but unsure of it.

John Fleming, b. 1811, Lanarkshire, occupation - carter.
Elizabeth Fleming, b. 1811, Scotland.
NK, b. 1821, Scotland.

And that’s all there is on the census return.

I have not been able to find any baptismal records for the children of John & Elizabeth.

Children’s info from 1851

Nancy Fleming, b. 1833 Glasgow
Mary Fleming, b. 1835 Glasgow
John Fleming, b. 1840 Glasgow

There are no baptisms I can find in Scotland to John Fleming & Elizabeth Osman.

I did find a marriage for an Elizabeth Osman to John Brown in 1828. So I thought maybe she had become a widow, and then searched for children to John Fleming and Elizabeth Brown.... bud also couldn’t find any.

I also assume that ‘nancy’ is Agnes. As there was an Agnes Fleming as a witness at Mary Fleming’s marriage in 1856.

[kjmck]

Sorry, I realise it must be very confusing and maybe a brick wall

[Rosinish]

"I also assume that ‘nancy’ is Agnes. As there was an Agnes Fleming as a witness at Mary Fleming’s marriage in 1856"

Yes Agnes/Nancy same.

What info. is given re parents on the marriage?

Annie

[kjmck]

It's a little hard to make out the maiden name of Mary's mother.