Osman & Liddell family research (MONTROSE)

[kjmck]

If the 1851 census I have for the Fleming family is correct then John Fleming died between 1851 and 1856

[Forfarian]

It's a little hard to make out the maiden name of Mary's mother.

Ask Scotland's People for a better image - there is a button to use when you are viewing a certificate that is hard to read.

[Wendy2305]

This maybe nothing but there is a death of a Robert Osman in Bo'ness 1830 although there is another Robert Osman in Bo'ness he also had a son David b 1804 Bo'ness Also a death of a David Osman age 1 Bo'ness in 1808 which could be yours

[kjmck]

It's a little hard to make out the maiden name of Mary's mother.

Ask Scotland's People for a better image - there is a button to use when you are viewing a certificate that is hard to read.

I have messaged ScotlandsPeople for a better image. I can see that Elizabeth's maiden name ends in 'man' but the beginning of it doesn't seem to read Os or Oss.

[kjmck]

This maybe nothing but there is a death of a Robert Osman in Bo'ness 1830 although there is another Robert Osman in Bo'ness he also had a son David b 1804 Bo'ness Also a death of a David Osman age 1 Bo'ness in 1808 which could be yours

I have found the death for Robert in 1830, he was 61 when he died of 'Sudden Death' on 1st Dec 1830. So he would have been born roughly 1769, though I can't find a birth for an Osman (sp.) around that time anywhere in Scotland. I thought the name Osman would be uncommon enough to make the searches easier.

The parents of the David Osman, born 1804, were Robert Osman & Margaret Tweedale, but I can't locate a marriage for them.

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[kjmck]

I think the whole Fleming/Osman/Liddell family research is a dead end

[Rosinish]

"1841, I only have one possible census return but unsure of it.

John Fleming, b. 1811, Lanarkshire, occupation - carter.
Elizabeth Fleming, b. 1811, Scotland.
NK, b. 1821, Scotland"

In my view this doesn't fit as later you have...

"Children’s info from 1851"
"Nancy Fleming, b. 1833 Glasgow
Mary Fleming, b. 1835 Glasgow
John Fleming, b. 1840 Glasgow"

Where are those children in 1841?

Mary, on her marriage in 1856 is aged 22 (b c1834)
The maiden name of her mother looks like Hindman (or similar) not that it helps us for now 
What info. is given on Mary's death re parents?
Where does Mary state she was born 1861/71/81 etc. until last census prior to death?

What children (if any) are still at home with Elizabeth 1861?

Have you found marriages/deaths for Agnes/Nancy & John to see what details they have re parents?
Agnes, if she married would be post 1856 as she's using her maiden name as witness to Mary's marriage.

What led you to Ossman (whichever variant) in the 1st place?

Annie

[Rosinish]

I think the whole Fleming/Osman/Liddell family research is a dead end

I think you're giving up too easily.

Genealogy is not easy or straight forward (thankfully) or I'd have been bored very soon!

It's like a jigsaw/crossword where some pieces/words look like they fit but on closer inspection they don't, you go back & forward until you finally work it out.

You need to follow the pattern which sometimes involves a lot of scrutinising if the piece/word fits but not a definite match i.e. you need to try another.

This involves checking names/dates/ages/places/occupations/siblings etc. etc. etc. & it all has to tally although you will always find contradictory info. which needs an autopsy 

Enjoy the hunt as a fun game not a chore!

Annie

[kjmck]

Ah I know it must seem like i'm giving up! I'll never though  I came to a brick wall with this roughly 6 years ago, and have since tackled other lines in my family tree, even locating my grandmothers father, with much more success. This is one of those cases where i'll need to focus on this alone in my family tree.