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Re: Lizzie Hollis Wilson
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 28 February 19 11:50 GMT (UK) »
Possible remarriage of John Hobbs to Emily Burgess, Mar qtr 1885 Hunslet.

Married at St Jude, Hunslet, 21 March 1885

John Hobbs, 34, wid, joiner of 22 Holdsworth St Hunslet, son of John Hobbs, boat builder.
Emily Burgess, 31, spinster of Whittlesea, Cambs, dau of William Burgess, shoe maker.

Witnesses: William Wilson, Elizabeth Hobbs
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Lizzie Hollis Wilson
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 28 February 19 11:53 GMT (UK) »
John and Emily Hobbs, both born Whittlesea, Cambs, are at 5 Canning St, Hunslet in 1891 with a son John, aged 1.  By 1901 they have further children Harry and Emma.

The address matches that on Albert’s reformatory record.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Lizzie Hollis Wilson
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 28 February 19 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Possible remarriage of John Hobbs to Emily Burgess, Mar qtr 1885 Hunslet.

Married at St Jude, Hunslet, 21 March 1885

John Hobbs, 34, wid, joiner of 22 Holdsworth St Hunslet, son of John Hobbs, boat builder.
Emily Burgess, 31, spinster of Whittlesea, Cambs, dau of William Burgess, shoe maker.

Witnesses: William Wilson, Elizabeth Hobbs
Looks like there is a Wilson connection.
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Re: Lizzie Hollis Wilson
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 28 February 19 21:05 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all so much for the latest info. Sorry I didn't reply earlier but it was so late here in OZ.

I've never heard of a William Wilson in the family but you never know it may be a sideways cousin I haven't found before.

I've definitely got a lot of checking to do now with all you have sent me.

I have attached the Assurance Policy I mentioned at the start. It's in 2 parts as that's how I received it. The lady who gave it to me is a descendent of AJW's son Arthur T Wilson but she doesn't know anything about Lizzie - sadly!


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Re: Lizzie Hollis Wilson
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 28 February 19 21:18 GMT (UK) »
How bizarre that a policy should have been taken out on the life of an 11 yr old child! I wonder what that was all about.  It suggests that Lizzie was already with the Wilsons in February 1889, shortly before Albert was committed to the Industrial School for “sleeping out”.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Lizzie Hollis Wilson
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 28 February 19 21:33 GMT (UK) »
I don't know and that is why I contacted the Assurance Co., to see if any more info. Apparently it was still viable in 2002 when it was surrendered by the lady who gave it to me and wasn't worth much, believe it or not.

It seems like the original policy was amended but I can't work it out at all. The Caroline Wilson of Harehills can't be the wife of Alex as they never lived at the address on the policy.

It's a big mystery for me as don't know much about the wording on these policies. just thought you'd all like to see it.

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Re: Lizzie Hollis Wilson
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 28 February 19 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Well the policy document tells you this:

An insurance policy was taken out on the life of Lizzie on 4 February 1889, a few days before her 11th birthday.

By May 1914 the beneficiary of the life policy was Caroline Wilson of Harehills.  She did not wish to continue paying the premiums, so she surrendered the original policy in favour of a new “free” policy, under which no future premiums would need to be paid and she would still receive a payout (albeit a smaller one than under the original policy) on the death of Lizzie.

Lizzie (as Dunderdale) appears to have died in Leeds in 1957 so it is hard to understand how the policy could have had any value in 2002.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Lizzie Hollis Wilson
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 28 February 19 22:10 GMT (UK) »
I don't know but I have the letters concerning the surrender of the policy which I can't attach due to privacy of the lady who sent them to me but was only worth $30-40 AUD.

The policy has the words "h wife" on it which I'm not sure of any relevance. Also has "address unknown" I was wondering how that came to be? was it Lizzie's addess as unknown or Caroline's? Would the Co. have tried to contact either in 1914 hence the date and were unable to do so? Maybe due to a death?

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Re: Lizzie Hollis Wilson
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 28 February 19 22:13 GMT (UK) »
It’s Lizzie’s address which was unknown by 1914.  There was no mystery about Caroline’s whereabouts - it was she who had asked the insurance company to rejig the policy, and her address is given as 44 Banstead St, Harehills.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)