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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 03 March 19 08:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Judith, I also spent sometime trying to locate that marriage but same no result in Tassie..
I will look at shipping tonight and see if I can see their arrival in Victoria.
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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #19 on: Monday 04 March 19 06:00 GMT (UK) »
HOWARD, John George
Born: 1818-1821 circa
Married:1852 Launceston VDL
Spouse: Cohane, Martha Maria
Spouse born: 1822 circa
Source Eaglehawk & district pioneer register.
Author/compiler: O'Donohue, Annette and Hanson, Bev.
p./no. 522
I followed up this ref held by the State Library Vic. and this is what I discovered: John George Howard Lawyer b. C1818/21 Clarkenwell, London Eng, 5.3.1856 Juror IQ-158 Welcome INN E/HGly, [NFR].
Spouse; 14.7.1852 Launceston VLD, MARTHA, MARIA COHANE VARIATIONS-COHONE/COHENE/COHOONE, born c1822 Rutherglen, Lanarkshire/Dunlon, Glasgow, Scotland , daughter of ROBERT COHOONE (COAL MINER)  & MARTHA UK d.9.9.1862 Sailors Gully aged 40yrs (Natural causes IQ)-B/A 12.9.1862 bd Bullock Creek.
ISSUE; UK, Matilda b.1853 Tas, Robert b.22.5.1855 K/Flat, 20.7.1871 joined VIOR Cobden Tent, ESTHER B.27.1.1857 M/Flat, John George b.14.9.1858 M/FLAT
Maria b.1960 M/Flat d.28.6.1862 S/Gully 18 months bd Bullock Crk, Martha, Maria b.1862 S/Gully d.17.10.1862 S/Gully aged 6yrs bd Bullock Crk.
Note: informant son Robert Howard Miner K/Flat
Ref:
 Eaglehawk & district pioneer register.
Author/compiler: O'Donohue, Annette and Hanson, Bev.
Vol.2 p. No 522.

Would love to know some of the abbreviations above some are more obvious then others.

Thanks
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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #20 on: Monday 04 March 19 06:47 GMT (UK) »
A good find.

There will be others who'll have some better information but I thought this might start the ball rolling.

John George Howard Lawyer b. C1818/21 Clarkenwell, London Eng,

5.3.1856 Juror IQ-158 Welcome INN E/HGly, [NFR]. - sorry i don't know what this means
Spouse; 14.7.1852 Launceston VLD, I assume this is the marriage date but I am not seeing any records in Tasmanian BMD (hope someone else can)
MARTHA, MARIA COHANE VARIATIONS-COHONE/COHENE/COHOONE, born c1822 Rutherglen, Lanarkshire/Dunlon, Glasgow, Scotland ,
daughter of ROBERT COHOONE (COAL MINER)  & MARTHA UK
died .9.9.1862 Sailors Gully aged 40yrs (Natural causes IQ)-B/A
Burial 12.9.1862 bd Bullock Creek.


ISSUE; UK,
Matilda b.1853 Tas,
again I see no record of this birth but this looks like the
'missing' child
Robert b.22.5.1855 K/Flat, 20.7.1871 joined VIOR Cobden Tent,   - unsure of what VIOR Cobden Tent is
ESTHER b.27.1.1857 M/Flat,
John George b.14.9.1858 M/FLAT
Maria b.1960 M/Flat d.28.6.1862 S/Gully 18 months
buried bd Bullock Crk,
Martha, Maria b.1862 S/Gully d.17.10.1862 S/Gully aged 6yrs bd Bullock Crk.
(This little one was only 1 month when she died)
Note: informant son Robert Howard Miner K/Flat

Keeping in mind that the informant, Robert,  was only 7 when his mother and the two little ones died it's possible that the information is not entirely reliable.  And once again, no information about the father.

Would love to hear what others can find as this is an intriguing search.

Judith

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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #21 on: Monday 04 March 19 07:33 GMT (UK) »
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Welcome INN e/HGly.

I think this refers to his legal training.   Ie which Inn he was articled to or something like that.
Can’t find it though. So far.
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Changed my mind.  Welcome Inn is a place near Penrith. Eg https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230054426?searchTerm=“Welcome%20inn”&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales

I think you should add Colquhoun to the possible variations of Martha’s surname.

Cobden Tent is something like a Masonic Lodge.    But has women, and a junior branch

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/219774537?searchTerm=%22Cobden%20tent%22&searchLimits=
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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #22 on: Monday 04 March 19 07:50 GMT (UK) »

The marriage certificate, 1884.....is it a transcription....or......image of a handwritten document?

What occupation does it give for John George HOWARD?.   

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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #23 on: Monday 04 March 19 08:02 GMT (UK) »
I've tried Colquhoun already on the Tas family history site with no luck either.  Good idea re the INN idea.  J
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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #24 on: Monday 04 March 19 08:35 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought, but

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ISSUE; UK, Matilda b.1853 Tas, Robert b.22.5.1855 K/Flat, 20.7.1871

Do you think this could be interpreted as Matilda being born in the UK, and then follow the names of those born in Tasmania?

Which means the marriage should be in the UK too.
Or perhaps a first marriage in the UK.
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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #25 on: Monday 04 March 19 08:58 GMT (UK) »
NFR =  “No further record”??

Ie perhaps he is recorded as a juror at an inquest on 5 March 1856, at Welcome Inn (E/HGly) and then no further record

Still not sure what 158 is, and still cannot find E/HGly.  East? Something?
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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #26 on: Monday 04 March 19 09:12 GMT (UK) »

The marriage certificate, 1884.....is it a transcription....or......image of a handwritten document?

What occupation does it give for John George HOWARD?.
Labourer, born Sandhurst, Vic the document is handwritten
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