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My great gran can't be traced.
« on: Saturday 02 March 19 21:48 GMT (UK) »
My hunt for my great grandmother Elizabeth Anthony born in 1847 at Tyrberllan, Llanegwad has come to a dead end. Can anyone help? The latest info we have is she was on the Wales, Llanegwad census in 1901 living in Tynewydd but in the  census for 1911, we had to look for her son Jacob Anthony, (illegitimate), she was on the front page of the census but not counted in it. Jacob was marked as son but no-one else was on it. It seems that the Numerator had written her name on the front but maybe she was not there. If she was there she should have been the head. No specific-to-her death certificate, only 6 that are between 1901 and 1928 but do not match, no local church records of her burial. We have her son's burial / grave and her parents', Thomas Anthony and mother Margaret Anthony (nee Ambrose). We thought she would be buried with / near them but we can't find any proof. Her parents grave stone is partly covered by another but appears to be older. I can make out the parents' inscription, Elizabeth isn't on it as far as we can see, also not recorded in Llanegwad church records. No husband to trace. On Jacob's  marriage certificate it shows John Anthony, deceased, as his father which could be true or not as there is no father on his birth certificate. There may have have been a cover-up at the time of his birth. No bastardy bonds / orders found for Jacob either. Can anyone help?

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 March 19 21:53 GMT (UK) »
When was her son Jacob born?  Was he old enough to be by himself in 1911.  I would page back and forward just to check she hasn't been listed there.
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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 March 19 21:58 GMT (UK) »
Jacob was born in 1881. Tracked his movements up to 1911. Just befor his birth Elizabeth went home to Tynewydd, Llanegwad, her parents home, to have the baby and to look after her sick mother that died that year.

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 March 19 23:25 GMT (UK) »
Is this them in 1891, as she is claiming a lot younger than her actual age?

Living at Llanegwad,  Cefn Hernin, Carmarthenshire
Piece: 4510 Folio: 82  Page Number: 5
Elizabeth Anthony   37  Llanegwad, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Jacob Anthony   9

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 March 19 00:03 GMT (UK) »
In 1881 she is with her parents - birthyear 1847

1901 - it's 1851

Deaths June qtr 1925   
Anthony    Elizabeth    80    Llandilofawr    11a   1243    

Deaths Sep 1928   
Anthony    Elizabeth    80    Llandilofawr    11a   974   

Difficult to understand exactly what you mean about the 1911 - did you actually find her listed?

The 1911 has another Elizabeth Anthony aged 67 b Llanegwad.  I suspect the 1928 death is your Elizabeth

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 March 19 00:43 GMT (UK) »
Difficult to understand exactly what you mean about the 1911 - did you actually find her listed?

Hi Carole, I think what arwela is saying is that on the 1911 census form Jacob Anthony is the only person listed (son, single), however if you scroll forward one page to the schedule it is addressed to Mrs. E. Anthony.
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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 03 March 19 06:53 GMT (UK) »
Which simply means she wasn't at home on census night,

Debra  :)

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 March 19 08:07 GMT (UK) »
In 1881 Elizabeth is with her parents...and there is also a grandson-Thomas Evans , born in 1874 at Llanegwad.

In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow)  with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad and his wife and baby daughter. Elizabeth's place of birth given as Llanegwad in 1844.

Could this be the Elizabeth you are seeking?



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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 March 19 08:28 GMT (UK) »
djm297:

Reply 4 from CaroleW

'The 1911 has another Elizabeth Anthony aged 67 b Llanegwad. '