Where would a peron be buried 1890

[Essnell]

Hi Dathai,     Hi Hallmark,

Dathai, I would say that these two are nor related to my quarry.  I have not seen any Powell surnames  etc so it probably rules those two out as candidates.
thanks for looking though great searching and all helpful.    I shall keep this just in case somewhere it fits in.

Re Rose i suspected she had moved but it did not fit with the 1919 death.   As I have not done much with the children's lines I had no really good info there so  thankyou.

I am getting suspect that both may be buried together, they were married for a long time.
thanks for the links  those are really helpful

Hallmark,  these are really small but they may have been private ones.   How does one check on these? 
Miracle hunting Hallmark   Thank you.   I shall keep these.   

Essnell
 

[hallmark]

Email and ask the local Funeral Director?? 

https://rip.ie/death-notice/john-carey-clogheen-tipperary/255729

[Essnell]

Hi Hallmark,

I have emailed the J. Corbett and Son .  See what happens there.

This one is not on the Tipperary list so I suspect he does this as aside line.  He is on google as a Hardware Store owner in Main Street, Clogheen.      interesting.

Cheers Essnell

[dathai]

Another death to look out for as you may pick up something in a newspaper

John Fraser married Emily Alexander dtr of Henry a forester 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10805/5940793.pdf

they appear to have been living with Emily's parents
as the informant on their 3 childrens births was Rose Alexander of Shanbally
Rose 1890 at Shanbally
Alfred aka Kenneth 1895
Helen Edith 1893

Helen Edith appears to have married an Albert Ruffle in Islington in 1925
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVZR-7DXX

Helen Ruffle was the informant on her fathers death in 1934 at Shanbally
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1934/04837/4304637.pdf

[Essnell]

     You beat me to it Dathai . I was about to do that looking but it got way too late in the night so gave up till today.    Morning here now in OZ.

so thankyou again for time and effort. this is all very good info for me. the constant links back to shanbally are very good. It is helping tie in the links.

so thankyou.  I  shall follow all the info you have found.

I have to go take care of some things  for a few hours so will be back in a while. 

this is just so very good.  thanks all again.

Hallmark, so far nothing from    John Corbett & Sons. Just thinking perhaps the church there in Chapel Lane might have info on local funeral directors in 1890.    I shall try that .

Regards
 and thanks
Essnell
 

[hallmark]

     
Hallmark, so far nothing from    John Corbett & Sons. Just thinking perhaps the church there in Chapel Lane might have info on local funeral directors in 1890.    I shall try that .

Regards
 and thanks
Essnell
 

Often the Funeral Directors were the only ones that kept records as to Who bought a grave. When. Number of burials allowed, number of burials within the plot, Who, When, number of "Vacancies" within plot.....


You shoud see the book of the Local one here....know names, dates and where everyone is buried


Same too with another I know....has Ledgers/Plans names, dates of everythig that happened in local cemeteries that put Church records to shame


Would not surprise me in the least if his g.father was undertaker

[dathai]

John Fraser,for 54 yrs valued friend and head gardiner at Shanbally Castle
https://historicgraves.com/shanrahan/ts-snrn-0239/grave

this lady appears to have been one of the witnesses at John and Emily's wedding 1887
https://historicgraves.com/shanrahan/ts-snrn-0241/grave

a very wealthy lady
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/details.jsp?id=IRE/ORIG/WILL/REG/18954

[dathai]

On the building returns 1901 Lady Butler is the land owner of John Fraser's house
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003913087/

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=3873

[Essnell]

Hi Dathai,

I hardly know what to say.  It is almost unbelievable.    what a revelation

Yet it does not surprise me i have been trying to get to       people who were actually at Shanbally Castle around this period.

I have recently found a whols section of a book about the Castle aand it's owners.  Viscount Lismore.

And most were pretty wealthy  Shanbally Castle Estate covered thousands of acres.  there are somewhere some of the Estate records but when it was sold many were bunrt on the spot .  Not passed to the new owners.   

any way that is another story. 

More to be done on this leg.    I must go digest all this before doing anything else. 

It is almost 10.00pm here and i doubt I will sleep very much tonight.

 have followed up on the other info, printed off and saved. the file for tins part is just about bursting out of the folder.    Now i just cannot thank you all enough for all of this.   

I believe Lady butler is connected to the Viscount  - cannot recall just how so will retrace that info.

Cheers    if there was a hug one I'd add that too.

Essnell