Ellen Young, daughter of Thomas Young, born c 1839 Cork, Ireland

[IgorStrav]

And I've now found the Workhouse Admission register (having previously only looked at Discharges) which does indeed show her as RC.

Well, that at least takes me into more potential Irish records from the Catholic community. 

[jonwarrn]

I have found a possible 1835 baptism for Ellen Young, with father Tom Young, and mother Catherine Keady, at Dromagurtnine, but of course no certainty at all that this is the right one...

There isn't any certainty, but there is a 16 year old Ellen Young, daughter of Catherine, living in Ratcliff in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGX5-KWH

Same Catherine and son Thomas in 1861?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-KDH2

In the census, and on death, your Ellen is said to be a bit younger of course.

[IgorStrav]

I have found a possible 1835 baptism for Ellen Young, with father Tom Young, and mother Catherine Keady, at Dromagurtnine, but of course no certainty at all that this is the right one...

There isn't any certainty, but there is a 16 year old Ellen Young, daughter of Catherine, living in Ratcliff in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGX5-KWH

Same Catherine and son Thomas in 1861?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-KDH2

In the census, and on death, your Ellen is said to be a bit younger of course.

Very many thanks again!  Husband Richard William Dady was a bit younger than Ellen even if she was born 1839, and therefore I see no problem in Ellen having slightly adjusted her own age to get a bit closer to him....

[IgorStrav]

you may have hit on it, Jonw!

Irish records show a baptism for a THOMAS YOUNG, in 1842, to a Thomas Young and Catherine Ceady from Droumagurtnine, in the parish of Caharagh (thereby matching the previous entry I found for Ellen Young with parents Tom Young and Catherine Keady)

 

[jonwarrn]

Hi
That does sound promising! Wondering - if this turns out to be the correct family - whether Tom died in England?

[IgorStrav]

Hi
That does sound promising! Wondering - if this turns out to be the correct family - whether Tom died in England?

Have just been looking at Thomas Young deaths between 1842 (when son Thomas was baptised in Cork) and 1851 when his wife Catherine was shown as 'widow' in the 1851 Census.

Difficult to pin down, especially as no confirmation of age - was he born in c 1806 like his wife?


Incidentally, did you notice the 1851 address of 'Ruins' in Ratcliff Hamlet?  It wasn't a great environment all round there (my ancestors lived there too), but this takes it a bit far.......google doesn't show much.


ADDED:
I have found two possible death refs, one in 1846 in Stepney for a Thomas Young aged 32 (so dob 1814) and another in 1848 in Stepney aged 40, so born 1808 (which might be a better match for Catherine who is either born in 1808, or 1811 (the latter less likely as it produces a rounded age for the census)

I may take a punt on the second death cert, on behalf of the person I'm doing the research for - though of course it won't tell me much, and unless it's the same address as the 1851 census and/or the notifier is Catherine Young, we won't know for definite it's him anyway

[jonwarrn]

I may take a punt on the second death cert, on behalf of the person I'm doing the research for - though of course it won't tell me much, and unless it's the same address as the 1851 census and/or the notifier is Catherine Young, we won't know for definite it's him anyway

It must be the Mile End workhouse death?
Thomas Young admitted 3 June 1848, parish charged to - Ratcliff
Discharge/Death on 5 July (image 62 on ancestry)

There is also a Catherine Young, 50, admitted to the workhouse at Wapping, 9 July 1862
Discharge/Death on 13 July (image 49 on ancestry)

[IgorStrav]

I may take a punt on the second death cert, on behalf of the person I'm doing the research for - though of course it won't tell me much, and unless it's the same address as the 1851 census and/or the notifier is Catherine Young, we won't know for definite it's him anyway

It must be the Mile End workhouse death?
Thomas Young admitted 3 June 1848, parish charged to - Ratcliff
Discharge/Death on 5 July (image 62 on ancestry)

There is also a Catherine Young, 50, admitted to the workhouse at Wapping, 9 July 1862
Discharge/Death on 13 July (image 49 on ancestry)

I'll look for the workhouse details.  Had only got the death refs via Ancestry deaths/crosschecked for age via GRO.
You are evidently ticking all the boxes I'm leaving unchecked.  Thank you!

[jonwarrn]

Hi
I don't think there is going to much more in the workhouse records. They are a bit pot luck.
Just noticed, there are catholic baptisms online of four children of Richard Dady + Ellen (Young), at St Mary & St Michael, Commercial Road, Stepney (1864-76)