South Australia Death Lookup - James WILLIAMS

[cando]

Name   James Arthur Williams
Event Type   Burial
Event Date   1917
Event Place   Adelaide, Adelaide City, South Australia, Australia
Event Place (Original)   Adelaide, Adelaide City, South Australia, Australia
Photograph Included   N
Death Date   09 Jun 1917
Cemetery   West Terrace Cemetery
Affiliate Record Identifier   167424290
Affiliate Image Identifier   167424290

from Familysearch.org but can find no further details e.g age.

This is a burial for a three year old child.

[CassT]

Hi
have a look at this site

https://aca.sa.gov.au/records/

seems that the person buried 9.6.1917 was aged 3 yrs, another person  buried in same grave Ida Wilson 10.1.1884

Cass

[Drayke]

Since his marriage record has been transcribed with his name James Auarthur Williams, was this a transcription error to his middle name or is his actual middle name Auarthur or similar?

If it is correct, then there is an entry in Trove in 1891 showing the birth of a son to a James Anarther Williams in Maitland.
"WILLIAMS.—On the 1st May, at Maitland, the wife of James Anarther (more plausible than Auarthur) Williams, of a son."
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/24797327?searchTerm=%22james%20williams%22%20Maitland

Is this the same person and if so, was he found and forced to go back to his wife or is it a different wife?

[wivenhoe]

At online tree on Ancestry, a second marriage for Elizabeth Amelia, 11 Oct 1890 to Henry Edwin HOPKINS.

We need some sort of documentation with information about James A**thur WILLIAMS.

Who is informant for birth registration of daughter Elizabeth Annie, 1886?

The marriage record, 1885, would give an occupation, his age, his father's name, and names of witnesses.

You might think that Elizabeth's interest in her husband's whereabouts,1889, is connected to her marriage the next year.

On the second marriage certificate, 1890, does Elizabeth describe herself as widow?

[Drayke]

At online tree on Ancestry, a second marriage for Elizabeth Amelia, 11 Oct 1890 to Henry Edwin HOPKINS.

We need some sort of documentation with information about James A**thur WILLIAMS.

Who is informant for birth registration of daughter Elizabeth Annie, 1886?

The marriage record, 1885, would give an occupation, his age, his father's name, and names of witnesses.

You might think that Elizabeth's interest in her husband's whereabouts,1889, is connected to her marriage the next year.

Agree. Something isn't adding up with the story or there is a lot of missing information that needs clarification. Even the warrant for arrest is kind of weird as it states that James abandoned her in sept 1885 yet the gazette and assumingly the warrant is dated 1889. This would mean he abandoned her prior to the birth of his daughter.

If he is the person in the newspaper article with a male child being born in 1891 then there must have been a divorce or similar between that time. Unless the James Auarthur and James Anarther are two different people, but unlikely considering the uniqueness of the names.

[cando]

Since his marriage record has been transcribed with his name James Auarthur Williams, was this a transcription error to his middle name or is his actual middle name Auarthur or similar?

If it is correct, then there is an entry in Trove in 1891 showing the birth of a son to a James Anarther Williams in Maitland.
"WILLIAMS.—On the 1st May, at Maitland, the wife of James Anarther (more plausible than Auarthur) Williams, of a son."
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/24797327?searchTerm=%22james%20williams%22%20Maitland

Is this the same person and if so, was he found and forced to go back to his wife or is it a different wife?

And the registration.

HOPKINS Charles Henry Carter
2 May 1891
Father Henry Edwin HOPKINS Mother  Emelia Elizabeth (fmly) WILLIAMS (nee) PALIN
At Maitland    Dal 477/95

[Siouxsie]

Cando........nice catch on the Anarthur and a new child (and new wife). Maitland is the right area too.
I may go fossicking around the Maitland area for an Anarthur clue.......perhaps that is a family name.

I think the Police Gazette entry may have been her trying to have him declared dead before she remarried, as she does state she was a widow.

This is the info I have for James' wife and her second marriage to Henry Hopkins.

HOPKINS  Henry Edwin aged 27 single father Edwin Carter Hopkins
married 11/10/1890
WILLIAMS Amelia Elizabeth aged 25 widow father William Palin
Wesleyan Parsonage Gawler
District Bar Symbol: A
Book/Page: 165/136

[cando]

Siouxsie - The date of the birth announcement and the registered date of birth are consecutive days so why on earth would the birth announcement be in the name of WILLIAMS and registration as HOPKINS.  Unless she married Mr HOPKINS quietly and note the marriage was at Gawler, not Maitland,and was she still known to the community as Mrs WILLIAMS.  As you know, registrations were done verbally usually at the local court house.  Incidentally the birth registration of James Arthur's daughter shows his name as James Arthur WILLIAMS.

Sometimes the often embellished copper plate handwriting was often mistranscribed.

[Drayke]

With regards to the newspaper family notice it should be listed as Hopkins and not Williams if she was married to Hopkins at the time. Additionally, if James Anarthur Williams was dead, it would usually say 'the wife of the late James Anarthur Williams', yet it doesn't.

There is no reason for that newspaper entry reading as it does. As it reads, James Williams was still alive with possibly another wife and this entry is for his child which, would call into question Elizabeth's marriage record to Hopkins stating she was a widow (unless as mentioned before James Anarthur Williams is a different person). It would also explain why James Williams death can't be found around that time.

Getting married on the assumption of someone being dead because they weren't found due to an issued warrant wouldn't be a reason to be able to be married. I would also assume that such news like a person being found dead after a warrant was issued would make the paper.