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Re: Who is the mother?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 31 March 19 22:02 BST (UK) »
I've just looked at some of the listings on SP and it shows quite a few Birrells as first names.

As I said earlier, most of the other entries have a place of abode after the mother's name.


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Re: Who is the mother?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 31 March 19 22:06 BST (UK) »
Here's a map that might be worth searching -  I'll go over it too

https://maps.nls.uk/view/75503411
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Re: Who is the mother?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 31 March 19 22:09 BST (UK) »
A fair few of my Scottish Baptsms only name Father..

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Re: Who is the mother?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 31 March 19 22:19 BST (UK) »
Here's a snip of George's entry, further up the page.

Add - can't find a marriage!

Thank you.
I only had the two snips, not the whole page.

This lot are a real mystery.  I am sure that if Thomas and Ms Birrell had not been married, the Minister would have added some note about fornication or base born children.
Bbart, I can find no reference to Jamsie after this baptism.
I can't find any other children born to the couple.
I have never found a burial record for George, but he died well before statutory registration came into force. His last child was born in 1839, he isn't to be found in 1841 and in 1851 his wife is a widow.
George's first son and second daughter were called Thomas and Sarah, and there is indeed a Sarah Birrell around the right age, but I had hoped to get some confirmation from these baptisms.
Oh well,  thank you for the help, I'll have a good look at the map and see if I can find a likely place.

Bev

P.S.  Xinia, the thing is that every other entry has the mother's name, and it's odd that only the surname should be noted down here :(
Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia


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Re: Who is the mother?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 31 March 19 22:23 BST (UK) »
Bev, there is one death on SP in 1866:

Margaret Herbertson/Birrell
Age 75
Annan Dumfrieshire
Mother's maiden name Gibson

Have you discounted that one?

Although, there is this 1841 census entry which is a possibility for her:

George Herbertson 65 lab
Margaret Herbertson 50
Mary Herbertson 20

Address: Hawgell, Annan

Maybe the George above is the father in law...or maybe not! Added: 1851 shows her as wife to George.

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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 31 March 19 22:50 BST (UK) »
Just a thought, Bev - maybe the Kirk Sessions minutes might have something.
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Re: Who is the mother?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 01 April 19 00:01 BST (UK) »
Bev, there is one death on SP in 1866:

Margaret Herbertson/Birrell
Age 75
Annan Dumfrieshire
Mother's maiden name Gibson


The Margaret Herbertson, who died on 3 August 1866, aged 75, was the widow of a George Herbertson.  Address - Howgill Bridge, Annan. Parents - George Birrell, Farmer and Mary MS Gibson, both deceased. Informant - John  Herbertson, son, present.

This looks like the 1841 family, Monica

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Re: Who is the mother?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 01 April 19 12:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your help!
I'm afraid that I'm not going to get anything out of these baptism records :(
My George was a butler.  He moved to East Lothian and married there.  His wife, daughters and son-in-law were all in the service of the Wemyss family at Gosford House so I think it's a fair bet that he worked there too.
There are a lot of Birrells in Gretna.  Could there have been an irregular marriage?
Gadget, where would the Kirk Sessions be stored?


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Bev
Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia

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« Reply #17 on: Monday 01 April 19 13:12 BST (UK) »
There are quite a few online at:

https://info.dumgal.gov.uk/HistoricalIndexes/

..but not Cummertrees or Annan, sadly.  I had a quick look through the Dumfries ones last night but dozed off so....  :-X  I did find some irregular marriage info about my people from Kells there. Also, you might find something here:

http://archives.dumgal.gov.uk/DServe/DServe.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Index.tcl

I think they would be able to be accessed via the larger Register Offices, as SP records are. I know there was a discussion about them going up on FindMyPast a while ago but nothing had been decided last time I looked. Forfarian would know.

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