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Re: Gladys Edith Hart
« Reply #9 on: Friday 05 April 19 19:30 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Madge2004 on Friday 05 April 19 16:16 BST (UK)
Lily Marjorie is my nanna and her dob was 7th July 1908 she married thomas Peterson in 1930.

In view of this and Rosie's findings in replies 6-8, is the information about Lily's sisters correct? Lily had mmn Peterson (EDITED - see below), and all the others that have been mentioned were Westmorland.

The Hart-Westmorland marriage might have been in Sep qtr 1904, Patrington, 9d 525 - it's the only entry I can find in the GRO index (as at FreeBMD) with those two surnames. (George William Hart & Lily Westmorland)

EDIT:
Lily's mmn wasn't Peterson, it was Watkinson.
Researching among others:
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Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Gladys Edith Hart
« Reply #10 on: Friday 05 April 19 20:10 BST (UK) »
Going to have to investigate further my nannas dob is definitely 7th July 1908, i got married on her birthday 2000.
That marriage date for her parents is what I have.
Thanks for your help so far everyone

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Re: Gladys Edith Hart
« Reply #11 on: Friday 05 April 19 22:31 BST (UK) »
Do you have her marriage certificate to Thomas Peterson as that should give information on her father
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Re: Gladys Edith Hart
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 06 April 19 00:33 BST (UK) »
The dob for the children George William Hart & Lily nee Westmorland are given on father’s army record confirms Lily Marjorie’s date of birth 8 11 1907

George William Hart
Enlistment Age:   36
Occupation Fish Merchant
Marriage Date:   10 Aug 1904
Marriage Place:   Burslurck PM
Document Year:   1915
Residence Place:   12 Newton St, Hull
Regiment Name:   East Yorkshire Regiment
Number of Images:   13
Form Title:   Attestation

Family Members:   
L Westmoreland   Spouse
Gladys Edith   Daughter 1 7 1905
Lily Marjore   Daughter 8 11 1907
Dorothy Alice   Daughter 2 6 1912
Frances Ethel   Daughter 18 1 1915

EDITED

I have added a link from a post by Madge2004 dated June 2018 - headed East Yorkshire Regiment
quote from the link https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=795574.msg6522453#msg6522453

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I'm looking for a bit of help please my gt grandfather George William Hart served
in the East Yorkshire Regiment  during world war one I think.

I have a document off ancestry but I can't make out what it is about (copy very poor).

I know he was born in 1879 and died 31/12/1953

His probate is on line
George William Hart died 31 Dec 1953
of 19 Westfield Rise Hessle Yorkshire
Probate 4 Mar 1954

and his wife

Lily Hart of 19 Westfield Rise Hessle (wife of George William)
died 29 Jan 1951 at The Trandy Rise Nursing Home Hessle
Probate 1 May 1951
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Re: Gladys Edith Hart
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 06 April 19 01:49 BST (UK) »
I'm assuming you don't have the marriage certificate of Thomas Peterson and Lily Hart who married 1930 as it would appear you have definitely been following the wrong family.

Your grandmother was plain Lily as shown at birth, marriage, 1939 register and death and, as you say, she was indeed born 7/7/1908 - as already posted, her birth entry was Sept.qtr.1908, mmn Watkinson and, again as already posted, her parents were Thomas Hart and Mary Watkinson married 1886.  I can find at least 11 children born to them:

Mary - born and died June quarter 1886
Edith - birth June quarter 1887
Thomas - birth and death March quarter 1892
Thomas Henry - birth March quarter 1893
John Harold (Harold on census) - birth June quarter 1895
Mary Alice - birth Dec.qtr 1897
Elizabeth - birth Dec.qtr.1898
Eva - birth Dec.qtr.1901
Robert - birth Mar.qtr.1904, died June quarter 1905
William - birth Sept.qtr.1906
Lily - birth Sept.qtr.1908
(All the above registered at Sculcoates, Yorkshire)

So, your nanna was Lily Hart born 7/7/1908, dau. of Thomas Hart and Mary Watkinson (and not Lily Marjorie Hart born 8/11/1907, dau. of George William Hart and Lily Westmorland).

Census confirms that Thomas, Mary and all their children were born in Hull.

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Re: Gladys Edith Hart
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 06 April 19 09:39 BST (UK) »
Quote from: rosie99 on Friday 05 April 19 16:28 BST (UK)

Do you have the 1930 marriage certificate

Marriage Dec qtr 1930 
Hart    Lily   
Peterson  Thomas   (spouse Hart)
Sculcoates    9d   510

This looks like her birth

Births Sep qtr 1908   
HART    Lily       Mothers maiden surname  WATKINSON 
Sculcoates    9d   121

ADDED her death

Lily Peterson Birth 07/07/1908
Death 05/1998 Hull East Riding of Yorkshire England

Quote from: rosie99 on Friday 05 April 19 16:32 BST (UK)
Marriages June qtr 1886 
Thomas Hart       
Mary    Watkinson
Sculcoates    9d   220

Possibly the above couple

Electoral Register  year 1931
Parish of Sculcoates
Polling district or place Drypool
Constituency Parliamentary Borough of Kingston-upon-Hull, East Division

Thomas & Lily PETERSON
address 4 Pemberton Street
England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932

ADDED - from Yorkshire BMD
PETERSON   Thomas   
HART   Lily   
1930 Sculcoates Register Offices or Registrar Attended   Hull   SRO/134/183

edit from FreeBMD there are

Three PETERSON/HART births registered in Sculcoates 1931 - 1935
and one in Hull 1945

Do you recognise any of these names as family members?
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Re: Gladys Edith Hart
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 06 April 19 09:43 BST (UK) »
St Mark, Hull - 22 July 1908

Baptism - Lily - daughter of Thomas (Labourer) and Mary Hart of 11 Howards Row, Chapman Street.

St Mark, Hull - 23 October 1901

Baptism - Eva (born 26 September) - daughter of Thomas (Labourer) and Mary Hart of 15 Howards Row, Chapman Street.

St Mark, Hull - 26 February 1904

Baptism - Robert (born 5 February) - son of Thomas (Labourer) and Mary Hart of 11 Howards Row, Chapman Street.

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Re: Gladys Edith Hart
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 06 April 19 10:04 BST (UK) »
St Mark, Hull - 24 April 1886

Thomas Hart (x) - 23, bachelor, Labourer of Chapman Street.  Father:  John, Labourer
Mary Watkinson - 20, spinster of Chapman Street.  Father:  Thomas, Labourer

A witness was Alice ?Moore? Hart (x)

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Re: Gladys Edith Hart
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 06 April 19 10:51 BST (UK) »
Quote from: BumbleB on Saturday 06 April 19 10:04 BST (UK)
A witness was Alice ?Moore? Hart (x)

I think it's Alice Moore her X mark but with 'her' and the X very close together so they look like a single word/name.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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