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Re: Willie Eade/Emma King marriage
« Reply #54 on: Thursday 11 April 19 19:19 BST (UK) »
Have taken the plunge and ordered the William George King birth certificate from 1884.

Hopefully it will tell us something useful


Hope so too please let us know

When I was searching for the birth entry I only went by the date given from Army records as posted by avm228  6th April 1884 (hence looking in June Qtr. 1884)

avm228 also mentions possible birth 6th April 1885 for a William Eade in Hendon

There is this entry on GRO indexes in Jun qtr.  :-\

KING, WILLIAM   no mother's maiden name 
1885 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 534

Thank you - yes, I have ordered both as too impatient to see if first one is correct or not !!

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Re: Willie Eade/Emma King marriage
« Reply #55 on: Thursday 11 April 19 19:55 BST (UK) »
If the very precise age of 32 yrs 8 days given by William King/Eade on his Army examination (14 April 1916) is correct then his birthdate should be 6 April 1884.

Tweaking the free 1939 Register index, I think William Eade is in the Hendon area and gives his birthdate as 6 April 1885.  If at least the 6 April bit is right (whether 1884 or 1885) then that could be corroborated with any birth certificate.

In turn, with luck, the birth certificate may give address (or other) details which link his mother Emma King to one of the families identified in the censuses.

Not that this helps with his birth

London Electoral Register in Hendon

1920/21/22/125/1939
31 Oak Grove
Wm Eade
Lily Ellen Eade

I think they married in Cranbrook Sep 1919 Lily E Turner

his death & probate

William Eade age 57 (1886) Jun 1943 Hendon 3a 532

William Eade of 31 Oak Grove Cricklewood London NW2
died 3 May 1943 at Handley Page Factory Claremont Road Cricklewood
Administration London 2 July to widow Lily Ellen Eade

Lily Ellen Eade of 31 Oak Grove Cricklewood Middlesex widow died 18 Dec 1947   
Administration London 31 Jan 1948 to M Sleet married woman (possible daughter bn 1923 Hendon)

Forgot to add 1921

98 Fernhead Road
Emma Eade there are others at that address but not with same surname
Kennedy, Palmer, Reed

Yes, they were in Fernhead Road in 1911. Have found the address and they lived opposite Norman Wisdom who was born there in 1915 and lived there!!!!!

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Re: Willie Eade/Emma King marriage
« Reply #56 on: Sunday 14 April 19 14:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you for everyone's help. From all that info and a bit more digging, this is the story so far:

Willie Eade (the original subject of this thread) was the son of Thomas Eade (middle name Mayhew) who was born in 1826/7 (yet to find his baptism record and it is too early for a birth registration record).

In 1848 Thomas Eade married Betsy Woolnough in Blything, Suffolk

Three years later the 1851 census has them living in 27 Northgate, Beccles, Suffolk with their 8 month old daughter Catherine Sarah. Thomas is an English teacher aged 25. You can still find this address on Google Earth.

Ten years later the 1861 census shows that the couple have moved to Great Wickham in Suffolk and lived in 40 Middle Street (that street was bombed in WWII so can't see it now). They now have seven children, Catherine, Thomas, Francis, Lourina, Clara, Arthur and Lawrence. Wife Betsy and their first daughter Catherine Sarah are not there but can be found with Betsy's parents (James and Betsy) in St Nicholas, Yarmouth (Catherine is called Kate here). Thomas is now a schoolmaster and living with him is an assistant, a cook and a house servant. Looks like Thomas is going up in the world. But...........

A year later, in August 1862 The Cambridge Independent press lists recent bankrupts and Thomas is among them. In March the following year, the Ipswich General Advertiser and County Express publishes a request for creditors of Thomas to come forward to make any claims they may have of what remains of his assets.

So, it looks like things have gone badly wrong for Thomas and family.

By 1864/1865 they have moved to Marylebone, because that is where Willie is born (have sent for what we hope is Willie's birth certificate but have had to send for two as there is one in 1864 and one in 1865).

In the 1871 census Thomas is with Betsy (named as Elizabeth), Catherine, Lourina, Arthur, Lawrence and now an Augustus and Willie (who were born since the last census). Augustus was born in or near Yarmouth (presumably where Betsy's parents lived) and at the time of his father's bankruptcy. Perhaps the family moved in with Betsy's parents when they went bankrupt and before moving to London. Thomas is now a surveyor's clerk and they are at St Pancras (Borough of Marylebone). Can't read the street name - looks like Charterfield Street but can't find that on old maps.

Then, ten years later, on the 1881 census, Betsy is still in London - 9 Great Woodstock Street - but Thomas has gone. She is with her children Clara (now Mason), Lawrence, William (Willie) and a new son, Albert born in 1872. Betsy is now a servant and William at the age of 17 is a conductor (presumably bus, not orchestra!!!!)

So what happened to Thomas? Well he has returned to Wickham Market and is a porter in the Plomesgate Workhouse. He does say he is married.

Ten years later in 1891 he is still a porter at the workhouse . I can't find Betsy in that census so wonder if she is already dead.

In 1901 Thomas is know as an inmate of the workhouse instead of a porter and a widow. But this is not as bad as it sounds because from the obituary for his death in 1910 he was there by choice and had simply retired - he was paying his board from his pension as a porter. It turns out he was actually well respected. In 1885 he was responsible for charging an inmate of the workhouse (a George Goode) with the offence of "tearing up his clothes". George received one month's imprisonment with hard labour - rather harsh for tearing up your clothes.



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Re: Willie Eade/Emma King marriage
« Reply #57 on: Sunday 14 April 19 14:19 BST (UK) »

So, that was Thomas's colourful life. But it looks like his son Willie was also rather interesting.

As mentioned, he was a 17 year old conductor in 1881, but later that year  he was lawfully married (3 Oct 1881) to a Laura (nee Rose). He and Laura had a daughter, Rose Nelly/Nellie, on 24 June 1882, but Willie and Laura then seem to have gone their separate ways because Laura went on to marry (bigamously) Frederick Mullins in 1896, falsely claiming to be a widow. From their children's birth dates it looks likely they were together by the mid-1880s.

Willie and Laura's daughter, Rose, repeated her mother's history by marrying her second husband, Richard Clinton, bigamously in 1907, falsely claiming to be a widow - but before her first husband had in fact died.  (She then "remarried" Richard, lawfully this time, as soon as her first husband was deceased in late 1910).

Meanwhile, Willie got together with Emma King and in 1864 had their first child William. Willie never married Emma (so technically he wasn't a bigamist) but they went on to have thirteen illegitimate children - William, George, Albert, Bessie, Augustus, Ernest, James, Edward, John, Lourina, Nellie, and Harry (Henry Harry). The list only has twelve so we think one died without being recorded on a census. Some have registered births, but some don't - Harry for instance. William joined the army and his medical examination says he had "deformed feet, rheumatic pains in his feet and legs since a bout of measles in childhood, and neurofibromatosis". We also know that Ernest died in 1918 when his ship HMS Kale was mined.

Willie came to a premature end in 1908 when he was found dead under a "brake" in Shirland Mews, Willesden). His death certificate says he had a weak heart and pneumonia but the report of his death in the Willesden Chronicle says he was regularly drunk and had a belly full of beer at the time of his death - he is said to have gone under the vehicle for a sleep.


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Re: Willie Eade/Emma King marriage
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 17 April 19 19:59 BST (UK) »
Have now got birth certificate for William (Emma and Willie's first son). Sure it is correct one as date of birth is 6th April which matches later records:

When and where - 6th April 1885, Marylebone Workhouse
No name for father
Mother - Emma King, Servant of Marylebone
Informant - Emma King, Mother, 21 Croydon Street, Marylebone

So interesting stuff.
Why the workhouse, if she has an address?
So, was Willie the father?
This certificate doesn't immediately help me with Emma's identification or family.
Any thoughts?

Thank you

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Re: Willie Eade/Emma King marriage
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 17 April 19 20:06 BST (UK) »
Good news re birthdate matching.

Workhouse probably because it had an infirmary which admitted local women to give birth.

Will have a look re address.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 17 April 19 20:07 BST (UK) »
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Willie Eade/Emma King marriage
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 17 April 19 20:14 BST (UK) »
21 Croydon St was divided into 3 households in 1881 - Masters, Bloom & Harrison.

RG11/148/104/45-46.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Willie Eade/Emma King marriage
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 17 April 19 20:24 BST (UK) »
21 Croydon St was divided into 3 households in 1881 - Masters, Bloom & Harrison.

RG11/148/104/45-46.

Thank you. Yes got it on map now. Guess Emma wasn't there in 81 then.

"Servant of Marylebone" seems a strange description ?