Willie Eade/Emma King marriage

[Markly Darkly]

Hello again.

I am still struggling to find anymore about Emma. I have a subscription giving me access to records and this is proving useful for lots of other searches but Emma is elusive without any information on who her parents might be. The only thing I have is another Emma King living with her in 1911, aged 75. She has been married 55 years and born in St James.

Through DNA results there is a connection with a Tasmanian family with the name King who seem to have gone there in 1840s. Elizabeth King is a name around that time. Also father John King.

That is all I have and have no idea how to find if there is anymore.

Any suggestions?

Thank you

[Milliepede]

How about looking up births for Emma King, finding the mothers maiden name then cross checking for marriages between an "Emma" and a "King" in the London areas mentioned to see if any of them could be the Emma King married 55 years.

There that should keep you busy for a while 

[avm228]

I see that Emma Eade is at 98 Fernhead Rd, Paddington up to & including the 1922 electoral roll, and then disappears from that address by 1923.  Is that the last sighting of her, or is there evidence of her later on?

[Milliepede]

Nothing yet.

One more thought, how about trying to find a death for the Elizabeth King 75 in 1911 in case it helps at all.  She was only a visitor so we don't know where she was living but if we could match an age...

[avm228]

Nothing yet.

One more thought, how about trying to find a death for the Elizabeth King 75 in 1911 in case it helps at all.  She was only a visitor so we don't know where she was living but if we could match an age...

She is Emma rather than Elizabeth.  I had a look and there aren’t a huge number of elderly Emma King deaths in the years following, but which to pick?

One angle I did look at is the fact that she was still “married” at 75.  Most of the Emma King candidates of around her age were already widowed by 1901.  Of those who still have a living husband in 1901 the one I spent most time looking at lived in St Pancras (also her birthplace) with a husband George, and I think they even lived in Paddington early in their marriage. I may have fallen asleep before ruling her in or out, though!  I didn’t find a daughter named Emma among their children, but we don’t know what the connection to Emma Eade would have been.

Obviously the St Pancras one wouldn’t fit the expected St James (Westminster) birthplace of “our” Emma King.

[Milliepede]

Sorry don't know why I put Elizabeth 

Yes I know, we are going along the route of Emma being her mother but may not have been which makes it even harder. 

[Milliepede]

Marriage Dec 1858 Pancras has

Emma Frazer
George William King
William Newman
Louisa Stone

trying to work back from the 55 years married but haven't checked the pairings yet **
If her maths was as bad as mine it might be a little off anyway. 

** correct pairing but I think that Emma dies before 1911

[Ladyhawk]

I've also looked extensively and not found an Emma King on 1901 census born St James

Was the head of the household the person that filled in 1911 census form?

We are assuming that the person was being truthful about marriage - if I remember correctly William Eade & Emma King did not marry and yet it says she was married for 27 years 

What about looking for a baptism of Emma KING with mother Emma - perhaps mother was unmarried 

Emma EADE (King)
1911 bn 1868 Marylebone
1901 bn 1864 Marylebone
1891 bn 1865 London Middlesex
1881 ?
1871 ?

Emma KING
1911 bn 1836 Marylebone

Reply 58 Mark Darkly gives these details of William King’s birth certificate

When and where -
6th April 1885, Marylebone Workhouse
No name for father
Mother -  Emma King, Servant of Marylebone
Informant -  Emma King, Mother, 21 Croydon Street, Marylebone

avm228 checked and no person with surname King living at that address 1881

Not a match with dob and mother not with family 1881 but father George KING noted as married
don't know if Marky Darkly investigated further to rule this family out.........

Emma King bn 1861 Marylebone mn HIBBETT parents George and Emma (see reply 48)

1871 census shows her mother’s name as Emma KING age 39 (1832) London

Emma Jnr. sister Matilda baptisms Holy Trinity Marylebone Road Westminster 4 Jul 1858
father George Thomas King, Shoemaker & Emma

[Markly Darkly]

I've also looked extensively and not found an Emma King on 1901 census born St James

Was the head of the household the person that filled in 1911 census form?

We are assuming that the person was being truthful about marriage - if I remember correctly William Eade & Emma King did not marry and yet it says she was married for 27 years 

What about looking for a baptism of Emma KING with mother Emma - perhaps mother was unmarried 

Emma EADE (King)
1911 bn 1868 Marylebone
1901 bn 1864 Marylebone
1891 bn 1865 London Middlesex
1881 ?
1871 ?

Emma KING
1911 bn 1836 Marylebone

Reply 58 Mark Darkly gives these details of William King’s birth certificate

When and where -
6th April 1885, Marylebone Workhouse
No name for father
Mother -  Emma King, Servant of Marylebone
Informant -  Emma King, Mother, 21 Croydon Street, Marylebone

avm228 checked and no person with surname King living at that address 1881

Not a match with dob and mother not with family 1881 but father George KING noted as married
don't know if Marky Darkly investigated further to rule this family out.........

Emma King bn 1861 Marylebone mn HIBBETT parents George and Emma (see reply 48)

1871 census shows her mother’s name as Emma KING age 39 (1832) London

Emma Jnr. sister Matilda baptisms Holy Trinity Marylebone Road Westminster 4 Jul 1858
father George Thomas King, Shoemaker & Emma

Hi Ladyhawk - By coincidence, I am looking at the Bootmaker George in 1871 census at the moment and had a feeling this is interesting.

Above, you say:

 "Not a match with dob and mother not with family 1881 but father George KING noted as married
don't know if Marky Darkly investigated further to rule this family out......... "

I am a bit lost here - is there another suggestion of George being the father?

Interestingly, Emma  (and Willie) name their first son William (after Willie) and their second son is GEORGE - could that be after Emma's father?

EDIT - sorry - just realised that the suggestion about the second son named after Emma's father had already been made. So many replies so getting confused !