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Re: Waldron / Hayward / Brain of Marlborough, Wiltshire 1700s/1800s
« Reply #18 on: Monday 22 April 19 11:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Mike,
OPRS Old Parish Records. Ancestry have originals for some counties. (My membership ends tomorrow).
Other family trees can be helpful as a guide but do need to be checked out, so many are flawed.

Thanks for the offer of the photo not necessary to copy to me but it might be worth posting as an example of an early picture, I think the first one was about 1826 so 1837 very early on.

The four signatures on the marriage is unusual, William & Fanny are clearly the witnesses, so I wonder if Abraham & Mary were the Guardians.

I found the 1830 baptism and from Ancestry have managed to add to it (Key in Dym***)


Abraham Dymock (as signed) married Mary Chirns (X ) 21 April 1814 Aldbourne.
Witnesses both signed Mary Dymock & Rachel Hurst.

Parents Abraham a carpenter & Mary, abode Aldbourne & Baptisms

Marianne Dymock 5 Dec 1817
John Dymock 26 Aug 1820
Abraham Dymock 3 Jun 1822
Elizabeth Dymock 11 Jan 1826
Joseph Dymoke 6 October 1830

John Dymock Married Aldbourne 1841 Father Abraham a carpenter, he was a witness & Mary Ann
Mary Ann Dymock married Aldbourne 1846 Joseph a witness. Father Abraham a carpenter
Sarah Dymock married Aldbourne 1855 father Abraham a Land Surveyor.

Abraham Dymock   78 (1767)   Burial 31 Mar 1845 Aldbourne   Abode Lambourn

Not sure where these two fit in?
Mary Dymock   71 (1789)   Burial 5 Jul 1860   Abode Aldbourne

I think this might be the most likely guardian for Sarah?
Abraham Dymock   75 (1790)   Burial 8 Feb 1865 Aldbourne   Abode Lambourn

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Re: Waldron / Hayward / Brain of Marlborough, Wiltshire 1700s/1800s
« Reply #19 on: Monday 22 April 19 11:41 BST (UK) »
This is a separate family.

Abraham Dymock born 1790 Somerset married Mary Chivers
1851 both in Adbourne Mary died 1860 – 1861 Abraham (A Carpenter) 32 High Street, Lambourn
With his son John.

Abraham Dymock Baptism 25/07/1790 Butleigh Somerset Ab & Alice

Mary Dymock   71 (1789)   Burial 5 Jul 1860   Abode Aldbourne

Abraham Dymock   75 (1790)   Burial 8 Feb 1865 Aldbourne   Abode Lambourn


I think this Dymock was also born in Somerset.

Abraham Dymock   78 (1767)   Burial 31 Mar 1845 Aldbourne   Abode Lambourn

Abraham Dymock  Baptism 25/04/1769 Butleigh Somerset  Joseph & Mary

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Re: Waldron / Hayward / Brain of Marlborough, Wiltshire 1700s/1800s
« Reply #20 on: Monday 22 April 19 11:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks Colin, all useful data.

Your idea that Abraham D and Mary de C signed as guardians, extra to the two witnesses, sounds good.

I've just looked through dozens of pages of Clerkenwell marriage register: fewer than one marriage in 30 has >two witnesses - as you say, it's unusual. What is odd is how very often a Wm Webb crops up as one of the two witnesses! Perhaps he hung around the church to help out couples who needed to get married urgently and had no family handy? Maybe a drink or two in it.

Given the proximity to Aldbourne, suitable age, etc I expect you're right that Abraham Dymock was Sarah's guardian.

What I'll do for now is use all you've found to write a narrative of the likely descent, pending further info. I should perhaps make an effort with Marlborough records, such as when did Waldron's bakery disappear, etc. Sarah's likely mother being 43 at birth of her first child, I'm not expecting many siblings.

Those portrait miniatures: they're watercolours on ivory or vellum. Photography didn't get going until after 1840, and until around 1850 was mainly one-off daguerreotypes, the cartes-de-visite in multiples weren't cheap until into the 1850s. These paintings would have been relatively expensive, suggesting the Bedford Wells was prosperous: celebrating engagement or wedding I suppose.

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Re: Waldron / Hayward / Brain of Marlborough, Wiltshire 1700s/1800s
« Reply #21 on: Monday 22 April 19 11:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the extra Dymocks Colin.

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Re: Waldron / Hayward / Brain of Marlborough, Wiltshire 1700s/1800s
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 23 April 19 10:43 BST (UK) »
Colin,
re the fourth witness at Sarah Hayward Waldron's 1837 Clerkenwell marriage:
I think she could read Mary de Combe: there are an Abraham and Mary de Combe living in Marylebone at the 1841 census, and Mary de C d1843.
No children listed so if SHW was living with them in Clerkenwell in 1837 it was not as governess - housekeeper maybe?
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Re: Waldron / Hayward / Brain of Marlborough, Wiltshire 1700s/1800s
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 23 April 19 11:19 BST (UK) »
Sorry Mike I cannot find the census, I did find the death and the following:

Mary Decombe to Thomas Reynolds
Marriage  5/11/1786 Saint Mary Le Strand,Westminster,London?

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Re: Waldron / Hayward / Brain of Marlborough, Wiltshire 1700s/1800s
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 23 April 19 12:15 BST (UK) »
Thanks Colin,
I think that might be coincidental as the Abraham & Mary De Combe that SHW might have lived with, are a few decades later and neither of them appear to be Londoners originally.

On FamilySearch I'm joining up the Haywards and Waldrons you found (but will flag them as Probables) - do you use Family Search? If so when I've done what I can, could I ask you to take a look and see if it agrees with your finds?

I wanted to connect up the Dymocks you found in case it helps someone else later, but as far as I can see FS only lets you join up one ancestor to another, and not hop around among strangers. Let me know if I've misunderstoord that.

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Re: Waldron / Hayward / Brain of Marlborough, Wiltshire 1700s/1800s
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 23 April 19 13:03 BST (UK) »
Colin,
re John Waldron (= Sarah Henley at Lambourn 27.04.1770), father of Richard Waldron 1773-1831 of Lambourn, father of the Marlborough baker:

There are suitable JWs in Ogbourne St George (very close by) at the right period, but I prefer these,
both of Lambourn:
JW, son of Joseph Waldron and Mary, bap 21.10.1741
JW, son of Cheyney Waldron and Elizabeth, bap 11.12.1748.

If you find anything to indicate which, please let me know. Agewise for a 1770 marriage, perhaps the former? We seem to be over-blessed with Waldrons!

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Re: Waldron / Hayward / Brain of Marlborough, Wiltshire 1700s/1800s
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 23 April 19 13:07 BST (UK) »
I assume the Abraham in 1841 who was with Mary was a Dymock?

I only use Family Search for the odd search I find some of the trees which occasionally pop up are even worse than some on Ancestry. I always cross reference the seach results with other info.

Feel free to PM me with any information you find.

Colin
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