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Offline Gwil

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Re: Robert Thomas Jones died 1919.
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 April 19 19:33 BST (UK) »

His RWF 8416 number will be a Territorial Force (TF) number (RWF 4th Bn). The fact that it's on his Medal Card/Roll shows he went overseas under this number and then transferred to RE.

His CWGC entry does not show his Rank in the main page but delving into the records they provide shows he was Pioneer and not a Driver as per your opener post which is probably based on the Soldiers Effects transcript or a Gunner as transcribed by the NA MIC link in post 2 by JJen. Look at the original Effects page/MIC on Ancestry and you'll see it's Pioneer (plus, is Gunner a RE rank even?)

You're probably aware that the TF were renumbered to six digits in 'early 1917'. Without going into it in depth I can tell you he was not so renumbered. His RWF enlistment date is mid Nov 1915 so he was transferred to RE sometime after landing in France in 1916 and before 'early 1917'.

The Soldiers Effects entry shows he was in 3rd Reserve Bn. His Medal Roll does not show his RE overseas unit. I'll stick my neck out and say it's likely to have been a Tunneler Coy but this would need some research or even better, a suitable query on the Great War Forum where you might attract a response from on the RE experts.


Do you have a photo of him please? (for the RWF Fallen project run by RWF Museum)

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Re: Robert Thomas Jones died 1919.
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 24 April 19 19:44 BST (UK) »
Re Overseas unit

I'm having second thoughts on Tunnelers. Looking on SDGW entries around his number and I see many are Special Coys**   Asking on GWF is the way forward should you want to pursue this angle.



** i.e the Poison Gas Coys   see   http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-corps-of-royal-engineers-in-the-first-world-war/the-special-companies-of-the-royal-engineers-poison-gas/

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Re: Robert Thomas Jones died 1919.
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 24 April 19 19:48 BST (UK) »
Is this Alice on the 1891 census civil parish Ruabon Denbighshire ?
Joseph Evans age 24 born Ruabon occupation labourer
Christiana Evans age 24 born Ellesmere Shropshire
Alice Evans age 5 born Ellesmere Shropshire

There is a birth registration for Alice Evans 1886 Ellesmere no mothers maiden name

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Re: Robert Thomas Jones died 1919.
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 24 April 19 20:03 BST (UK) »
There is a possible marriage 1889 Wreham Denbighshire
Christiana Evans
Joseph Evans

Possible death for a Joseph Evans  Apr - June  1891 Wrexham Denbighshire
Birth year about 1867

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Re: Robert Thomas Jones died 1919.
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 24 April 19 21:14 BST (UK) »
Christiana Evans born Ellesmere, Sept Q, 1863. 6a/649.

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Re: Robert Thomas Jones died 1919.
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 24 April 19 22:28 BST (UK) »
Yes, it may be Evan's/ Evan's.

Thanks Gwil, very interesting.  I have searched but so far have found no photo.
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Re: Robert Thomas Jones died 1919.
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 25 April 19 10:09 BST (UK) »
There is a possible marriage 1889 Wreham Denbighshire
Christiana Evans
Joseph Evans

Possible death for a Joseph Evans  Apr - June  1891 Wrexham Denbighshire
Birth year about 1867

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https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3171967/3171969/9/

Poor man, the address matches the 1891 census, but they have  only have a 5 year old daughter Alice at home.
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Re: Robert Thomas Jones died 1919.
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 25 April 19 12:03 BST (UK) »
That is so sad and so young also ...Maybe their other child could have been staying with relatives on the night of the census ? ...I notice on the 1911 census she has had 3 children that have died

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Re: Robert Thomas Jones died 1919.
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 25 April 19 15:37 BST (UK) »
His medal card shows that he was also in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, Service No. 8414.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3161193



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 is this on Ancestry ? I can`t seem to find it using the same numbers .
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