George Smith b 1858 m Eliza Hogg b1859 Norwich

[avm228]

I agree that William doesn’t look likely to be the same person as George but only because William is a coal porter in 1881 and George was a cabinet maker on Isaac’s birth certificate.

There’s nothing reliable known as to George’s age or origins unless and until you get the marriage cert.

[avm228]

But hang on - you have Harriett’s birth certificate which comes after the 1881 census, so Eliza hadn’t moved on from George to a new man if George was named as father (provided that was truthful, which it may not have been).
 What was the paternal occupation on that certificate?

[Ladyhawk]

I agree that William doesn’t look likely to be the same person as George but only because
William is a coal porter in 1881 and
George was a cabinet maker on Isaac’s birth certificate.

Is this a possibility for George Smith on 1871 census?

1871c
Julian Back Street Victoria Buildings, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk
William   Caston   Head            1834      Norwich Norfolk
Sarah Ann   Caston   Wife            1833      
William   Caston   Son            1859      
Henry   Caston   Son            1862      
Alfred   Caston   Son            1865      
Edward   Caston   Son            1868      
Isaac   Caston   Son            1871      
George   SMITH   Lodger         1851      pob ditto occ Cabinet Maker

I wondered about these siblings William & George SMITH together on the 1861 census living
Heigham but not sure as it looks as if this William Smith married Eliza VARVELL and
they are together with dau Eliza on 1871/1881/1891 census William's occ Sawyer.

Matthew   Smith   Head            1821   Norwich, Norfolk, Sawyer
Henrietta   Smith   Wife            1831   Ipswich, Suffolk
William   Smith   Son            1846   Norwich, Norfolk
Susan   Smith   Daughter         1841   Norwich, Norfolk
George   Smith   Son            1851   Norwich, Norfolk,
Robert   Smith   Son            1860   

Susan Smith Baptism    9 May 1841 Norfolk  Father:   Matthew Smith Mother:   Susan
   
Marriage    24 Sep 1838 Norwich, St Clement and St Edmund, Norfolk   
Matthew Smith f/a Sawyer, St. Clements  father Robert gardener
Susanna Jakes f/a father William
      
Marriage    5 Apr 1868 Norwich, All Saints, Norfolk
William SMITH 22 occ Sawyer,  All Saints father Matthew, Sawyer          
Eliza VARVELL 22 father John Lab.
Witnesses Isaac Patrick & Susan SMITH

[avm228]

That looks a good possibility for George in 1871.

I wonder whether William the coal porter in 1881 was really a Smith, or whether that was a convenient fiction if he was cohabiting with Eliza Smith and pretending to be her husband.

[Ladyhawk]

That looks a good possibility for George in 1871.

I wonder whether William the coal porter in 1881 was really a Smith, or whether that was a convenient fiction if he was cohabiting with Eliza Smith and pretending to be her husband.

There’s nothing reliable known as to George’s age or origins unless and until you get the marriage cert.

I agree his marriage certificate to Eliza Hogg would hopefully confirm a father's name , occupation etc

Added - NO evidence posting purely due to name & occupation - can see no children for this couple

5, Jubilee Yard, Norwich, Norfolk, England
Thomas   Larter   Head   Widower      1787   Cabinet Maker   Norwich, Norfolk
Thomas   Larter   Son   Unmarried      1828   Cabinet Maker   Norwich, Norfolk
George   SMITH   Son In Law.           1813   Cabinet Maker   London, Middlesex,
Caroline   Smith   Wife   Married      1821   Norwich, Norfolk
Visulia   Middleton   Visitor   Married   1827   Char Woman   Norwich, Norfolk
1851c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDJ-QLC

1839 marriage George SMITH , cabinet maker to Caroline CARTER father Thomas cabinet maker
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NX56-W8R

[Susan Smith]

Hi folks,  sorry for the delay,  the George I found also was the one with Father Matthew.

I am sure I found a 1881 census with a George Smith Inmate but cannot find now,  it would explain Georges absence with the family. Update, found one George Smith b1846 Norwich,  in Pentonville prison in 1881,  not sure if this was original one I found and whether it is him.

I cannot figure out how to sort the Birth Cert image for Harriett to make smaller,  the file is currently too large to post.

Many thanks Sue

[avm228]

You don’t need to post the certificate (which can in any case be problematic from a copyright point of view) - just tell us what’s on it.  In particular, what was the date of Harriett’s birth, what address was she born at and what details are given of her father.

[Susan Smith]

Harrietts Birth Cert,

Harriett Beatrice Smith b 17/12/1881 Norwich

Father George Smith Coal Carter

Mother Eliza Smith Formerly Hogg

Cannot make out address but here it is

[avm228]

Water Lane, St Edmund, Norwich.