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Offline Barb Duke

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Can anyone help please.
« on: Friday 10 May 19 19:04 BST (UK) »
Hello , I am new to this site, I only joined today. So I hope I am in right place and you all will have patience with a newly getting on in years.  Right what I want to know is how can I find out the details of  someone's parents. I have marriage  for Charlotte Smith  + James Simpson in 1844 Dec star, Shorditch.2.331. I have no details of her parents. I did have some info but lost it when laptop died on me. I remember there was a connection to "Bland" family and i thi k it was on mothers side. I hope you can u understand what I am saying  and some kind person can offer help
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« Reply #1 on: Friday 10 May 19 19:15 BST (UK) »
The marriage was 5.10.1844 and Charlotte’s father is shown as William Smith deceased - occ haberdasher.  Witnesses were John B Smith & Mary B Smith

You need to give details of where Charlotte was born and her birth year from census entries.

Have you checked the 1841 census for her in case she is with parents?

Have you checked for a baptism on www.familysearch.org?

With a surname like Smith you need to give as much info as possible
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« Reply #2 on: Friday 10 May 19 19:18 BST (UK) »
If I have the right 1851 entry she was b Christchurch Surrey about 1819 - is that correct?
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« Reply #3 on: Friday 10 May 19 19:40 BST (UK) »
Hello Carol   thank you for your reply. You have given me  things to thi about and lots to be getting  on with. I will do as you advise and see how I go. There is one thi g for certain  though I will be backing up all I do not like last time. I was getting on really well but not all was on paper just on laptop. I doremember that Charlotte started a seed company that all though it had been sold still had Simpson in name and was still going in1960/70's.Ja as was a seeds man as was his son James William. Thanks for your help
Barb
I've just got your 2nd message. I don't know her birth year, it was on laptop  I hope it is the right one. Barb

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« Reply #4 on: Friday 10 May 19 20:38 BST (UK) »
Hello and a warm welcome to Rootschat.

May I suggest that you use a more specific title to any future posts. A lot of people will quickly scan down "unread posts" and only investigate those that catch their eye. For instance"

"Who were Charlotte Smith's (1844 in Shoreditch) parents ??"

I think you might whet more appetites?

Good luck with your quest. "Smiths" are such a challenge and we all have them

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 May 19 11:09 BST (UK) »
possibly 1851 census???

Moderator comment: edited to remove major cut & paste from subscription site - please transcribe what you see in an image.  Thanks

1851 Census
Dorchester Street Saint Leonard Shoreditch
HO 107/1536 / 429 p 18
   
James Simpson Head 30 Seedsmans Shopmanb Fairford, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Simpson Wife 32 b    Christchurch, Surrey
James W Simpson Son    5 N K, Middlesex
Charlotte A Simpson Daughter 3 N K, Middlesex
Maria Simpson    daughter 1  b Shoreditch, Middlesex

Possible birth reg's for children:

JAMES  WILLIAM SIMPSON,     MMN SMITH  b Jun qtr Shoreditch RD ref 2 426   
CHARLOTTE  ANN Simpson      MMN SMITH  b Dec qtr Shoreditch ref 2 384
Maria Simpson mmn Smith b SHoreditch ref 2 453

Quote:
Marriage posted by Carol:

The marriage was 5.10.1844 and Charlotte’s father is shown as William Smith deceased - occ haberdasher.  Witnesses were John B Smith & Mary B Smith<<<<<<<<<<

<<<<<<<<<<<<Could these be the witnesses with connection to the Bland name, possible siblings of Charlotte:

John Bland Smith b 5 Oct 1813 Bennet Street, Christchurch, Surrey
Parents: William & Ann Smith
ref RG5_095

Mary Bland Smith bpt 01 Sep 1835 London b 5 Jun 1820 Chirstchurch Surrey
Parents: William & Ann Smith

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 May 19 12:32 BST (UK) »
I am wondering if Charlotte shaved a few years off of her age and that this was her baptism (she sometimes states her birth place as Blackfriars):

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Charlotte Smith b   22 Jan 1812 Bennett Street Blackfriars Road, Christ Church, Surrey<<<<<<<<<< matches with Bland Smith baptisms above and same parents)
Parents: William & Ann Smith
ref RG5_051

Possible death for her:

Charlotte Simpson death registered  W. Ham aged 87 ref 4a   190    (would fit with 1812 birth)

This looks to be death of James Simpson, he died 11th April 1894:

James Simpson death registered  W. Ham    age 73 ref4a   105

Probate can be found here:
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=simpson&yearOfDeath=1894&page=2#calendar

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 May 19 14:47 BST (UK) »
Marriage for John Bland Smith:

Place St John Hoxton Hackney
Date: 18th July 1843
Groom:John Bland Smith, full age, Bachelor,
Bride: Margaret Rebecca Shout
Groom's Father: William Smith (deceased - Haberdasher)  (matches with Charlottes father)
Bride's Father: John Shout (deceased Ship Owner)


This is John and Margaret in the 1851 census:

Abode: Felix Terrace Islington

Head: John B Smith aged 37 born Christchurch, Surrey occ: Linen Draper
Wife: Margaret R Smith aged 32 born Battersea, Surrey
Dau:Margaret A Smith aged 6born London, Middlesex
Son: John B Smith aged 4 born London, Middlesex
Son: Alfred C Smith aged 2 born London, Middlesex
Dau: Alice Smith aged 0 born London, Middlesex
Sister: Mary B Smith aged 30 born London, Middlesex
Mother: Ann Smith aged 69 born Rugeley, Staffordshire
Servant:Johannah Chant aged 22 born Murcott, Somersetshire


Children's birth registrations for confirmation:

SMITH, MARGARET  ANN      MMN SHOUT     
GRO Reference: 1844  S Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT  Volume 02  Page 376

SMITH, JOHN  BLAND      MMN SHOUT     
GRO Reference: 1846  S Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT  Volume 03  Page 256

SMITH, ALFRED  CHARLES      MMN SHOUT     
GRO Reference: 1850  D Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT  Volume 03  Page 300

SMITH, ALICE        MMN SHOUT     
GRO Reference: 1848  S Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT  Volume 03  Page 260
 

Possible death for Mary Bland Smith:

Deaths Dec 1903
Smith    Mary Bland    83    W. Ham    4a   93

Probate:
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=smith&yearOfDeath=1903&page=25#calendar

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 May 19 14:18 BST (UK) »
Hello All, Thank you for your replies. I have some of the information but lost lots of stuff when my laptop crashed. I will be sure to back up in future. Everything enclosed fits in with what  I think I remember. A Bland Smith emigrated to Australia or New Zealand  and I was told he had a sheep farm. when he died he left money to Simpson children my Nan got a share around 1946 / 47 but I am not sure how much is fact. Charlotte Smith /Simpson started a seed business and her son James William and her grand son James Edward Simpson were both seedsmen. Regards, Barbara