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Re: Londonderry - Jane Dunbar McGuiness (help to research)
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 10:20 BST (UK) »
I did wonder if this woman Matilda (Tilly) McGuiness was a sister of Jane Dunbar McGuiness?

Ireland Civil Registration
Thomas Henry Corr (b circa 1842)
Married on the 10 Mar 1863
At Templemore, Londonderry, Ireland
His father's name   James Corr
Spouse's Name   Matilda McGuinness (b circa 1843)
Her  Father's Name   David McGuinness
Source Familysearch IGI


Thomas Henry Corr and Matilda Gilliland (nee McGuinness) arrived in Australia on the ship Lightning in Melbourne on 21 August 1863
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/corr/239/

((There is a Gilliland in the posts above - coincidence??)

Jane Dunbar McGuiness might have even arrived in Australia with this couple?? Anyone seen a passeger list for the Lightning 1863 to Melbourne?
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Londonderry - Jane Dunbar McGuiness (help to research)
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 10:23 BST (UK) »
Marriage of Samuel McGinnis & Jane Colhoun gives his father as David McGinnis (painter & glazier)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11383/8179478.pdf

Off to check some earlier records...

Londonderry Sentinel, 2 June 1868: May 24, at the residence of her son, Thomas Beetham, Supervisor of Inland Revenue, Middle Road, Londonderry, Mrs. Ann Beetham, aged 80 years.

Possibly Samuel's mother?
Londonderry Sentinel, 21 Apr.1854: At her residence, William Street, on Monday, the 17th inst., Rebecca, the beloved wife of Mr. David McGinness.

Londonderry Sentinel, 8 Apr.1853: On the 30th ult., at his father's residence, William Street, of water on the brain, Robert McGuinness, aged 7 years, the beloved child of Mr. David McGuinness, of this City.
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Re: Londonderry - Jane Dunbar McGuiness (help to research)
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 10:38 BST (UK) »
Londonderry Sentinel, 13 Mar.1863: March 10, in the Third Presbyterian Church, Derry, by the Rev. James Denham, D.D., Mr. Thomas Corr, to Matilda, second daughter of Mr. David Maginness, of this City.

Londonderry Sentinel, 24 Jan.1865: On the 25th October, by the Rev. P.H. Cornford, at the residence of Mr. John W. James, Hobson Street, Auckland, New Zealand, Edwin, the eldest son of Edwin Halloway, Esq., Newcastle on Tyne, to Jane, the eldest daughter of David McGuinness, Esq., of Londonderry, Ireland.

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Re: Londonderry - Jane Dunbar McGuiness (help to research)
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 10:46 BST (UK) »
Derry Journal, 18 Jan.1882: … Australia, Rev. William Nesbitt M'Guiness, M.A., Vicar of All Saints Church, Plumstead, London, and eldest son of the late David M‘Guinness, painter, Derry.
David McGuinness & Jane Colhoun's son William Nesbitt McGuinness.

Londonderry Sentinel, 22 May 1930:  The death took place yesterday, after prolonged illness, at his residence, St. Columb’s Court, Londonderry, of Mr. David Dunbar M‘Guinness. Deceased was a son of the late Councillor Samuel Gilliland M‘Guinness, who was for many years a member the Londonderry ...
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Re: Londonderry - Jane Dunbar McGuiness (help to research)
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 10:48 BST (UK) »
Matilda Corr's death

CORR
Matilda Gilliland
Death
Mothers maiden name NESBIT
Fathers name David Mcgueness
Her Age 69
Her date of death 1913
Death registration place Bton
4511/1913
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BDM Victoria, Australia

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Londonderry - Jane Dunbar McGuiness (help to research)
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 10:51 BST (UK) »
Findagrave

Matilda Gilliland Corr

Matilda Guilland Corr
Birth   unknown
Death   19 May 1913
Burial   
Brighton General Cemetery
Caulfield South, Glen Eira City, Victoria, Australia
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Londonderry - Jane Dunbar McGuiness (help to research)
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 11:11 BST (UK) »
It's all coming together quite nicely  :)

Londonderry Sentinel, 20 Mar.1909: GREAT GRANDMOTHER OF 26 CHILDREN, ... She returned from America last August. For the last seven years she had been living with her daughter, the wife of Mr. Samuel M'Guinness, 20, Abercorn-road. Proof her surprising vitality it may be mentioned that she worked  [a?] quilt for the recent Ebrington

Derry Journal, 4 Oct.1929: M'GUINNESS October 2, 1929, at her son’s residence … dentist, Strabane), Jane, relict of the late Councillor Samuel M‘Guinness, Londonderry. Interment in City Cemetery, Londonderry, on to-day (Friday), 4th inst., leaving Strabane (by rail) 12 ...

Londonderry Standard, 27 Oct.1859: … held by the Lord Bishop of Manchester, on Sunday, the 16th inst., at St. John's Church, Heaton, Mersey, when Mr. Wm. Nesbitt M‘Guinness, B.A., was ordained to the stipendiary curacy of St. Mary’s, Preston, also ...
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Re: Londonderry - Jane Dunbar McGuiness (help to research)
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 11:34 BST (UK) »

Londonderry Sentinel, 24 Jan.1865: On the 25th October, by the Rev. P.H. Cornford, at the residence of Mr. John W. James, Hobson Street, Auckland, New Zealand, Edwin, the eldest son of Edwin Halloway, Esq., Newcastle on Tyne, to Jane, the eldest daughter of David McGuinness, Esq., of Londonderry, Ireland.

Mr John W. James arrived in Auckland, New Zealand in 1858
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WC19150909.2.15?query=%22Mr.%20John%20W.%20James%22&snippet=true
I wonder what his relationship with Edwin Holloway and Jane McGuiness was? Fellow countryman/Employer? Mr John W. James from newspaper clippings had returned to the UK and toured around England, Scotland and Ireland in 1903. No mention of Mr John W. James's nationality
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Londonderry - Jane Dunbar McGuiness (help to research)
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 11:39 BST (UK) »
Likely family tree (incomplete)-

David McGuinness/McGinnis, painter & glazier, m. Jane Nesbitt.
1. Jane Dunbar McGuinness (1839-1912), eld. dau., m.(1865 N.Z.) Edwin Holloway
2. Matilda “Tilly” McGuinness (c1843), 2nd dau., m.(1863) Thomas Henry Corr
3. Rev. William Nesbitt McGuinness (c1834-1881 Australia), eld. son, m.(1874) Charlotte Priscilla Watson
     https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/181588376 “while on a visit to Australia”
     Administration in Victoria: sister Matilda Corr wife of Thomas Henry Corr
4. Samuel Gilliland McGuinness (c1851-1919)

Not sure if same David McGuinness- if so he also married Rebecca?
David McGinness, William St., m. Rebecca (d.1854)
1. Robert McGuinness (c1846-1853)

Samuel Gilliland McGuinness (c1851-1919), house painter, m.(c1870) Jane Colhoun (d.1929)
1879/1880- 96 Bishop St.; 1882/1884- 73 Bishop St.; 1898- 20 Abercorn St.
1. Rebecca Margaret McGuinness (1871-1882)
Londonderry Sentinel, 18 Mar.1871: M'Guinness—March 13, Bishop-street, Londonderry, the wife of Mr. Samuel M-Guinness, of daughter.
2. William Nesbitt McGuinness (c1873-1956), mill manager, m. Rosa (d.1961)
3. Harriett Jane McGuinness (c1879) m. _ Montgomery. 1956- Philadelphia
4. David Dunbar McGuinness (1879-1930) m.(1898) Anna Mary Ward (d.1943)
     1. Pearl McGuinness (1915-1955) m. J. Cairns
     & others
5. Samuel Thomas McGuinness (1880-1880)
6. Samuel Joseph McGuinness (c1883-1958), dentist. 1919- Railway St., Strabane.
     1. Stillborn child (1913)
7. Robert James Black McGuinness (1883-1884)
Derry Journal, 25 Feb.1884: M'Guinness —February 22, at 73, Bishop-street, Londonderry, Robert James Black, youngest son of Samuel M'Guinness.
8. (d.bef.1956), Toronto



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