Intriguing Birth Detail

[ms_canuck]

I was researching a relative (1st c/1x removed), Arthur Martin - born in St Luke, Middlesex, England c. 1870 to John Martin & Susannah Moore (both also born in either St Luke or Shoreditch).

In the 1871 census, I thought I had found Arthur - age 1 - but the mother's name was now Susan.  However, the intriguing part, is that there is an older brother listed - John Martin, age 4, born c. 1867 in Auckland, New Zealand!  All the other census documents afterwards do not name John - which usually means he has passed, but they do have Arthur and his sister Alice - but the mother's name is always Susannah.  Ancestry tried to link me to a John James Martin, but it didn't seem right and in the end I simply removed John Martin from my tree.

I'm not specifically asking for a look up (because this doesn't really affect my lineage), but if anyone was interested and could find out how this child came to be born in New Zealand, I'd be fascinated to know the answer!  I did do some brief searching on Ancestry, but nothing concrete really came up.

Thanks
Ms_C

[Top-of-the-hill]

  There was a John James Martin born 1867 in New Zealand, presumably the one Ancestry offered you. Parents were Susanna and John Richard, which seems to fit?

[crisane]

1881 piece 1381 Folio 52 Page 39
Birkbeck Rd Camden Villa Tottenham
James Moore 69 furniture dealer employing two men London
Jemima Moore 65
John J. Martin 14 grandson New Zealand

 London, England, City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery Registers, 1841-1966
John James Martin
488 Old Ford Rd, Bow
Age 80
Birth date about 1867
Burial Date 14 Feb 1947
Burial Place London, England
Reference Number CTHC/01/034

[mckha489]

Susannah Moore and John Richard Martin m 13 Dec 1864 St Mary  Newington

I cannot read his occupation.

However that narrows down the options for travel to NZ.  Can’t see them on a passenger list so far.

[Maiden Stone]

Any chance Richard Martin was a soldier? 1860s were the peak of the New Zealand wars - conflict between NZ government and Maoris.

[mckha489]

Doesn’t look like soldier.   Maybe Cooper?

[sparrett]

John Richard MARTIN was an upholsterer on the 1871.
Sue

[crisane]

John James Martin became a carpenter. he married an Emily Louisa Hill reg dist Edmonton March 1/4 1889
Emily Louisa Hill seems to have a few Poor Law Settlement records.
I can't see them with any children in the censuses

[maddys52]

"BIRTHS On January 28, at the Dairy Bridge, Wade, the wife of Mr John Martin, of a son."

Daily Southern Cross, 31 Jan 1867
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ntf/