John Thomas

[Dannemois]

Can someone please help locate John Thomas on the 1851 and 1841

1861@Carpenter Arms, Charlestown, Blackwood 
John Thomas   u/m   Head   30   Carpenter & Innkeeper   Monmouth Bedwellty,
David Jones        Stepfather   54   Carpenter
Cicelia Jones             Mother   53   Glamorgan Gellygan,
Thomas Thomas  u/m    Brother   22   Carpenter Glamorgan Gellygan,
Ruth Llewelyn      Servant   20   Glamorgan Gellygan,
David Kevan      Servant   19   Carter   Monmouth Mynyddislwyn,

[PaulineJ]

There is a candidate marriage in Dec 1841 Merthyr Tydfil   

DANIEL    John        Merthyr Tydfil    26   567    
DAVIES    Jemima        Merthyr Tydfil    26   567    
EVANS    William        Merthyr Tydfil    26   567    
JONES    David        Merthyr Tydfil    26   567    
RAY    John        Merthyr Tydfil    26   567    
REES    Margaret        Merthyr Tydfil    26   567    
THOMAS    Cecilia        Merthyr Tydfil    26   567    
WATKINS    Mary        Merthyr Tydfil    26   567

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1851 - Cefn Hengoed, All born Gellligaer except where noted

David Jones    41 Langollan [?] Carmarthenshire. Carpenter and victualler
Cecel Jones    43
John Thomas    20 - carpenter
Cecil Thomas    18 - daughter
Eliza Thomas    15 - dressmaker
Thomas Thomas    12

HO107;  2457;  283;  3

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1841 - address given as cottage, hamlet of Hengoed. It's near Derwen Deg and Cwm y Cylla, Mary and John not born in county

Cescil Thomas    30 -  publican
Mary Thomas    13
John Thomas    11
Cescil Thomas    8
Elizabeth Thomas    6
Thomas Thomas    2

HO107;  1414; 21; 6;

[Dannemois]

Hi Pauline
Thanks for the details; it would appear John and siblings were fatherless from a young age.

[Dannemois]

Hi Mabel
That's brilliant; they moved around a bit; any chance you could find them on the 1871.  I found son Thomas in 1891 in New Tredegar.
Regards, Roy

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1871

David Jones    63 - Innkeeper, Carpenters Arms. b LLanelli
Cicilia Jones    63 - b Gelligaer

RG10; 5330;  25; 16;

(daughter Cicilia is next door with husband James Yem and family)

John not so obvious, unless he becomes a farmer

[Dannemois]

Hi Mabel

Yes, he did become a farmer, he also carried out contact work, had a building business in New Tredegar.  I located him in 1881 @ Gellyhir, Llanfabon.  He moved there after his marriage to Martha (second marriage) I'm not sure when as I've not found marriage details. 
I would appreciate details of 1871.

1881@ Gellyhir, Llanfabon
John Thomas       Head   50   Farmer 110 acres employing 3 labourers, Bedwellty, Mon
Martha Thomas      Wife   36   farmer’s wife   Mynydislwyn, Mon
Evan Thomas         son   13   scholar      Llanfabon, Glam
Lewis Thomas            stepson   12   scholar   Llanfabon
Amelia Thomas          stepdaug   07   scholar   Llanfabon
David John Thomas      son           02                   Llanfabon
Daniel Jenkins Thomas    son   10m          Llanfabon   

John Thomas died 1882 from a fractured skull, when he fell of his horse in Ystrad Mynach.  Martha died 1884, after which the two boys David John Thomas and Daniel Jenkins Thomas went to live with John's brother Thomas Thomas in New Tredegar.  I've yet to find out what happened with Evan, Lewis and Amelia.

Regards Roy

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1871 - Argoed Farm. Farmer of 84 acres. Think the younger daughter may confirm the link!

John Thomas    40 - b Gelligaer
Susannah Thomas    30 - b Merthyr
Louisa Thomas    2 - b Bedwellty
Cecilia Thomas    1 Month  - b Bedwellty
John Price     27 - brother in law, b Merthyr
Maria Price     22 - sister in law, b Merthyr
John Evans     27 - servant
Rees Lewis     25  servant
Mary Watkins    17  servant

RG10;  5330;  12;  18;

THOMAS, CELIA        mmn PRICE     
Q1  1871 BEDWELLTY  Volume 11A  Page 129

I can't find a marriage to a Susannah Price though

Possible death?
Q4 1874
Thomas    Susannah    34    Bedwelty    11a   88