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Re: did she marry? did she divorce? illegitimate children? perhaps a bigamist?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 15:54 BST (UK) »
oh okay

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Re: did she marry? did she divorce? illegitimate children? perhaps a bigamist?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 15:57 BST (UK) »
I think you are referring to Desmond Francis Clark born 17 Sep 1928, died 19 Jan 2010 Bristol?

His birth registration gives his mother's maiden name as Cottrell. 

Parents' possible marriage therefore: Walter E Clark to Ida W Cottrell, Mar qtr 1922 Stroud.

There are several likely births to that marriage including Desmond's - the other children may be redacted in the 1939 Register as still living or proof of death not yet provided.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: did she marry? did she divorce? illegitimate children? perhaps a bigamist?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 15:59 BST (UK) »
Walter Ernest Clark was one of Reginald's older brothers - born 1888 - making Desmond a nephew of Reginald if I have it right.

Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: did she marry? did she divorce? illegitimate children? perhaps a bigamist?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 16:05 BST (UK) »
Brilliant thank you I shall discount him

I assume however no one has found a marriage for Reginald & Dorothy or Constance & Fredrick? to imply then that they both chose not to divorce for reasons related to that time?

Limited family knowledge as no one even now will really talk about it or they dont know because it was never talked about, but we dont seem to think when the children returned to Northamptonshire they had any further contact with their father


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Re: did she marry? did she divorce? illegitimate children? perhaps a bigamist?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 16:25 BST (UK) »
I can't see any relevant (re-)marriages, no.  Perhaps it suited both to move on to pastures new without troubling the divorce court.  I see that Frederick Hill was significantly older than Constance so he may have had a previous marriage too, possibly?

Reginald Llewellyn Clark (a motor-coach driver) had a bit of driving-related trouble with the law, according to the newspapers:

April 1930 - fined for driving without a valid licence
November 1930 - fined for speeding
June 1931 - fined for speeding
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: did she marry? did she divorce? illegitimate children? perhaps a bigamist?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 16:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all of your help

Was it easy in the 30's to literally just go by a new name? or would they have had to produce some form of fraudulent documentation

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Re: did she marry? did she divorce? illegitimate children? perhaps a bigamist?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 16:33 BST (UK) »
It would have been very easy for Constance to assume a new name in Northants - no identity documentation was required for the usual functions of daily life.  It's not fraudulent in itself to assume a new name either - English law only sees this as a problem if you're using it for deceitful purposes, and living as though you're married to someone when you're not isn't illegal or fraudulent.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: did she marry? did she divorce? illegitimate children? perhaps a bigamist?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 06 June 19 21:49 BST (UK) »
Published: Friday 17 February 1922
Newspaper: Northampton Mercury
County: Northamptonshire, England

Reginald L. Clark, motor omnibus driver. Reel Lion Hotel, Faringdon, Berks, was summoned by his wife, Constance Ellen Clark, Thrapston

That was all i was able to see, i dont have access to the full article with already having used my 3 free searches. If you register on the below link you can have 3 free searches but after that you have to pay.

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

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Re: did she marry? did she divorce? illegitimate children? perhaps a bigamist?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 06 June 19 22:08 BST (UK) »
He was summonsed by his wife for a maintenance order. She was awarded £1 2s 6d a week and costs.
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